• Members 38 posts
    May 7, 2023, 1:53 p.m.

    These DCF tags are for

    A viewer / browser is not an editing program. A viewer can assume sRGB when no ICC profile is attached or not. This difference in assumptions made results in different outcomes of the colour management.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 7, 2023, 1:59 p.m.

    Doesn't matter.
    BTW, Fujifilm X-T5 OOC sRGB JPEGs don't have sRGB colour space embedded, only sRGB tags are present, same as above
    [EXIF] 0xa001 ColorSpace: sRGB
    [EXIF] 0xa002 ExifImageWidth: 7728
    [EXIF] 0xa003 ExifImageHeight: 5152
    [EXIF] 0x0001 InteropIndex: R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)

  • Members 7 posts
    May 7, 2023, 3:54 p.m.

    Propheticus - I think you are spot-on here in your analysis. I believe the increasing use of wider gamut displays may be producing a resurgence of such complaints. Embedding the profile is still best practice in my opinion.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 7, 2023, 3:58 p.m.

    Following standards is the best practice.
    Colour-agnostic applications ignoring standards are the problem, not better displays.
    Millions and millions of sRGB images are uploaded every day. Multiply by the size of an sRGB profile. How much space and bandwidth is wasted every year?

  • Members 7 posts
    May 7, 2023, 4:17 p.m.

    I don’t consider wide gamut displays to be a problem, far from it. But I do agree that it’s the applications that need to improve. In the meantime I will continue to embed color profiles and hope that the added 100 kb or so burden can somehow be borne.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 7, 2023, 4:25 p.m.

    Why should an RGB profile take up 100 KB?

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    PNG, 24.5 KB, uploaded by JimKasson on May 7, 2023.

  • Removed user
    May 7, 2023, 4:31 p.m.

    If the profile has CLUTs as opposed to the matrix-based variety.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 7, 2023, 4:36 p.m.

    What's the advantage of LUTs for an RGB profile?

  • Removed user
    May 7, 2023, 4:48 p.m.

    If that was the basis for your earlier question, I suspect that you know better than I.

    You must also know that nearly all profiles of type 'display' are matrix type, about 5 or 10Kb and I don't know why @eriepa is using anything different for posting images on-line.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 7, 2023, 4:57 p.m.

    In v.4 they try to achieve perceptual intent (few sRGB users can create an environment where it works), so 60+KB (while basically 0.5KB is all what is needed for the so-called simplified sRGB).

  • Removed user
    May 7, 2023, 5:10 p.m.

    Yes, I just looked in the profiles folder and found that sRGB_v4_ICC_preference_displayclass.icc is about 60kB.

    Last time that I looked, V4 was quite unpopular ...

    ... off topic but some may not know that a matrix profile's setting of 'perceptual' gets you 'relative colorimetric' in many applications.... theoretically not so with V4.

  • Members 7 posts
    May 7, 2023, 5:12 p.m.

    Thanks, Jim - yes, the profiles for this purpose are much smaller, even tiny. I had given a quick look at my profile folder and my eyes must have landed on printer profiles. Sorry for that. But doesn't the very small size of these profiles help make the case for embedding same?

  • Members 976 posts
    May 7, 2023, 5:21 p.m.

    Not for embedding sRGB. There is a reason why the tag exists, to avoid waste. It's the same reason JPEG exists.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 7, 2023, 5:24 p.m.

    If there are apps that don't honor the tags, sure. Better to have the apps pay attention to the tags, I think.

  • Removed user
    May 7, 2023, 5:31 p.m.

    Now it is clear.

    I think the degree of such help is tiny in these days of people whining about e.g. 4Mb upload limits ...

    ... but, like your good self, I also prefer to embed a profile, always sRGB for on-line publishing and I have my editors so set since I don't print.

  • Members 260 posts
    May 7, 2023, 6:06 p.m.

    if the app ignores the tag what are the chances it will honor the full embedded profile ?

  • Members 7 posts
    May 7, 2023, 7:30 p.m.

    Out of our control, unless it's a known buggy app that can be avoided I suppose.

    Sign at the Gate of Hell:

    “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here”

    “Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate”

    Dante Alighieri

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 7, 2023, 7:35 p.m.

    I can't figure out how not to embed a profile in Ps:

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