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My Little History of DSLR/ML

Maoby
April 24, 2023
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    Maoby
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    March 27, 2025, 2:03 p.m. March 27, 2025, 2:03 p.m.
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    Thank you very much for your feedback, it is appreciated. 👍🏼

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    Maoby
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    May 15, 2025, 4:25 p.m. May 15, 2025, 4:25 p.m.
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    Pentax 645D

    To mark the 15th anniversary of one of the first affordable digital MF, the fabulous Pentax 645D (2010-2025)

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    Pentax 645D (2010)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    I am the proud owner of a beautiful Pentax 645D
    The main reason for the interest in this MF is its 40MP Kodak CCD sensor, which I particularly like.
    In 2010, 40 MP was particularly impressive! Today, it has almost become the norm, or at least the average.
    I wanted to compare this famous 645D with several cameras in my collection, here are the results.
    I hope one of them will interest you.

    The Pentax

    The Golden Age of Pentax 2010-2012

    With the arrival of Q, MF and ML formats

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Pentax K-5 (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719507229848
    Pentax 2010

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Pentax Q (2011)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716800757806
    Pentax Extreme

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Pentax K-01 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717589728133
    Pentax / Pentax

    Pentax 645D and Nikon

    Nikon D40 (2006) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719559439557
    APS-C / MF (CCD)

    Nikon D3s (2009) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716852325631
    FF/MF 2009-2010

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon D600 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716717060401
    MF 40 MP / FF 24 MP

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon D810 (2014)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157720176320620
    40/36 MP

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon 1 J5 (2015)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719047163289
    CX / MF

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Nikon D500 (2016)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716705417432
    20 MP / 40 MP

    Pentax 645D and Canon

    Canon EOS-1D (2001) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720308541118
    4/40 CCD sensor

    Canon EOS-5D (2005) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716937306083
    FF 12 MP / MF 40 MP

    Pentax 645D and Olympus

    Olympus E-10 (2000) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717048751803
    4 MP / 40 MP

    Olympus E-1 (2003) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157718212739438
    4/3 MF

    Olympus E-P1 (2009) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157718069044231
    µ4/3 / MF

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Olympus OM-D E-M1 MkII (2016)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719989890974
    20-40-50 MP

    Pentax 645D and Fujifilm

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Fujifilm X-Pro1 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157719178290415
    Collection Covid

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Fujifilm X-T5 (2022)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720304341711
    40 MP !!

    Pentax 645D 120mm f/4 Macro / Fujifilm X-T5 Laowa 65mm f/2.8 Macro
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720317842776/
    Macro Lens

    Pentax 645D and Kodak

    Kodak DCS 200 (1992) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720298431427
    Kodak / Pentax 18 years apart

    Kodak DCS 460 (1995) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720302943643
    15 years Kodak CCD

    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157720071808920
    BIG

    Pentax 645D and others

    Minolta RD-3000 (1999) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720300239873
    Macro Lenses

    Pentax 645D (2010) / Sigma sd Quattro H (2016-17)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717212477666
    25 MP / 40 MP

    iPhone 4 (2010) / Pentax 645D (2010)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720321157234/
    2010

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    AlanSh
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    May 15, 2025, 8:46 p.m. May 15, 2025, 8:46 p.m.
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    I looked at the Pentax vs X-T5. The quality of the X-T5 is, to me, better. But it will depend on the lens and the JPG interpretation that each camera has (here I am, stating the obvious).

    So, how do you compare cameras and not photo sub-systems?

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    Maoby
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    May 16, 2025, 3:47 p.m. May 16, 2025, 3:47 p.m.
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    Can you elaborate further? 🤔

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    AlanSh
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    May 16, 2025, 3:57 p.m. May 16, 2025, 3:57 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    Can you elaborate further? 🤔

    OK - image quality depends on a few things. One is the sensor, another is the lens and a third is how the firmware interprets the raw image to produce a JPG. To compare 2 different cameras (especially from different makes), you need to eliminate as many differences as possible. So, can they use the same lens? No? Then are there ones that are as similar as possible. Do they use the same sensor (it's amazing now many do)? Then what you are left with is how the firmware works.

    Looking at the comparisons between the Pentax & Fuji, they are cameras from different eras, with different everything. So, what we are comparing is how much things have got better since the Pentax came out (or not). It's not really a comparison between two similar cameras, even though they both have the same sized sensor.

    Does that make sense?

    Alan

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    ArvoJ
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    May 16, 2025, 5:07 p.m. May 16, 2025, 5:07 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:

    I looked at the Pentax vs X-T5. The quality of the X-T5 is, to me, better.

    For me they are quite equal, both have some properties better than other.

    At first glance X-T5 images may look more sharp and contrasty, but looking in detail, Fuji images are just oversharpened; also for some images color difference makes one or other image look more natural. Also lens DOF is different; probabaly AA filter is different too (in old times AA filters were stronger) - this makes older cameras images a bit softer.

    It would make some sense to reprocess images to look similar (colors, contrast, sharpness) - but there are more sites on the net which do just that; Marc's comparisons are interesting even without any forced equalization :)

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    Maoby
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    May 16, 2025, 9:59 p.m. May 16, 2025, 9:59 p.m.
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    @AlanSh has written:
    @Maoby has written:

    Can you elaborate further? 🤔

    Does that make sense?

    Alan

    Of course yes!

    To be picky I would say that the quality of an image depends on the photographer himself, of the photographic subject and particularly of the quality of the light (the atmosphere of the moment). Oddly enough, equipment is secondary to me.
    And I realize that a lot of people seem to have a lot of difficulty understanding, given the discussions on the forums in general.

    There are probably several hundred ways to make a comparison.
    The main thing for me is the evolution of digital technology over time, and to see the differences between brands at a specific time, or the behavior of different sensor formats from 1 inch to MF. etc.
    To visually see whether or not there has been a noticeable change over time.

    These are comparisons that I make above all to satisfy my curiosity, and I tell myself that I must not be the only one with an interest in digital history. (but sometimes I doubt it)
    But if it can interest one person in a thousand, that's already good for me.
    I'm looking more for the quality of internet users than the quantity.

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    Dycam 1 (1991) / Kodak DCS 100 (1991)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Kodak DCS 100 (1991) 100% / Pentax 645D 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Dycam 1 (1991) 100% / Pentax 645D 100%
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    Maoby
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    June 8, 2025, 4:27 p.m. June 8, 2025, 4:27 p.m.
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    Nikon D200 (2005-2025)

    You could say that the Nikon D200 was my first real digital camera.
    And it was particularly hard to find when it came out in November 2005, I finally managed to get my hands on it in May 2006
    More than six months of waiting!
    I really enjoyed this camera for several years.

    live.staticflickr.com/6148/6198771657_25b8cabb1c_b.jpg
    Nikon D200 (2005)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Here I have the ten comparisons I have made with this camera over the years.

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D3s (2009)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720324328071/

    Nikon D2X (2005) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157680624427005

    Nikon D100 (2002) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157666938676113

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D40 (2006)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157718788182417

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Sony Alpha 100 (2006)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157669477176456

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D600 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157681013051174

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D500 (2016)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157670935120062

    Olympus E-10 (2000) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157702780532145

    Canon EOS-5D (2005) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716308821163

    Canon EOS-20D (2004) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720299823253

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    New BusinessMan (Future)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°19 Nikon D200 (2005)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    N°18 Nikon D200 (2005)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

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    barondla
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    @Maoby has written:

    Nikon D200 (2005-2025)

    You could say that the Nikon D200 was my first real digital camera.
    And it was particularly hard to find when it came out in November 2005, I finally managed to get my hands on it in May 2006
    More than six months of waiting!
    I really enjoyed this camera for several years.

    live.staticflickr.com/6148/6198771657_25b8cabb1c_b.jpg
    Nikon D200 (2005)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Here I have the ten comparisons I have made with this camera over the years.

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D3s (2009)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720324328071/

    Nikon D2X (2005) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157680624427005

    Nikon D100 (2002) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157666938676113

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D40 (2006)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157718788182417

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Sony Alpha 100 (2006)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157669477176456

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D600 (2012)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157681013051174

    Nikon D200 (2005) / Nikon D500 (2016)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157670935120062

    Olympus E-10 (2000) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157702780532145

    Canon EOS-5D (2005) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157716308821163

    Canon EOS-20D (2004) / Nikon D200 (2005)
    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720299823253

    live.staticflickr.com/8284/7667876994_e2f17156c4_b.jpg
    New BusinessMan (Future)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/50436071708_3eedd9f11b_b.jpg
    N°19 Nikon D200 (2005)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/51861862119_62f220c0e2_b.jpg
    N°18 Nikon D200 (2005)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Cool examples. Remember the D200 well. Like you said above, it was very difficult to get in the beginning. I always enjoy your history posts.
    Thanks for sharing,
    barondla

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    Maoby
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    June 10, 2025, 1:38 p.m. June 10, 2025, 1:38 p.m.
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    You're welcome 👍🏼

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    barondla
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    I particularly like New Business Man. It touches so many areas of life.
    Thanks for sharing,
    barondla

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    Maoby
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    June 10, 2025, 4:12 p.m. June 10, 2025, 4:12 p.m.
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    I am impressed by the number of copies of this photo that can be found around the world.

    Image search with Google and the “Exact Matches” option

    www.google.com/search?sca_esv=ea7b27f3c7f5bbf6&lns_surface=44&hl=fr-FR&sxsrf=AE3TifOr97oEuy3wxOXMS12x_dRrmMilGA:1749570954623&q=&vsrid=CJSDrd3VrPGkIBACGAEiJDgwMTkyMGM3LWM1MjItNGY0YS1hNWRjLWUwZmY2ZjUwMzM2NjIGIgJkeigKONzl7tmb540D&vsint=CAIqDAoCCAcSAggKGAEgATojChYNAAAAPxUAAAA_HQAAgD8lAACAPzABEOgHGNcFJQAAgD8&lns_mode=un&source=lns.web.cntpubb&vsdim=1000,727&gsessionid=_dCOijkQvz2AaKmIjsew_08SJWvMucJaErRtpNnwaw8fkPTyeuX2WQ&lsessionid=pVLA6JQlNNH0CKtRIW8yLgpQLq9kf8-9SGwFp0JKjJGu3bI5CcyvvA&udm=48&fbs=AIIjpHyDuDaSWI128HHkGNYTlSjb1_oTF4ZmPtdzykbpzfBSpb5sLBh_s3SW7YmAyVMS_U2h5ElB&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjd14nam-eNAxVohu4BHUIpBzMQs6gLegQIDxAB&biw=2445&bih=1291&dpr=2

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    Maoby
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    June 10, 2025, 4:24 p.m. June 10, 2025, 4:24 p.m.
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    I don't know why the link isn't working here!

    There are several hundred of them since its publication on Flickr in 2012

    Some examples ....png

    stihi.ru/2010/11/13/1454
    stihi.ru/2010/07/18/3842
    sociopath-ru.livejournal.com/99153.html
    hadawal.blogspot.com/2011/05/blog-post_4425.html
    osolihin.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/pendapat-para-penulis-tentang-menulis/
    techcrunch.com/2011/07/01/homeless-man-arrested-for-using-public-outlet-to-charge-phone/
    www.reddit.com/r/kucoin/comments/1ev45tj/me_researching_for_the_next_100x_on_kucoin_to_put/
    mundovoluble.blogspot.com/2012/04/un-negocio-en-estados-unidos.html

    Etc etc etc …

    Some examples ....png

    PNG, 1.2 MB, uploaded by Maoby on June 10, 2025.

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    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Fuji FinePix S3 Pro (2004)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720326847386/

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    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Fuji FinePix S3 Pro (2004)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    *Fun fact: They both use the same Nikon N80/F80 body

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    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Fuji FinePix S3 Pro (2004)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    In the early 2000s, Nikon fans were in luck!
    They had the choice between Nikon, Kodak, and Fujifilm to be able to use their Nikkor lenses.

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    June 17, 2025, 11:03 p.m. June 17, 2025, 11:03 p.m.
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    @Maoby has written:

    I don't know why the link isn't working here!

    There are several hundred of them since its publication on Flickr in 2012

    Some examples ....png

    stihi.ru/2010/11/13/1454
    stihi.ru/2010/07/18/3842
    sociopath-ru.livejournal.com/99153.html
    hadawal.blogspot.com/2011/05/blog-post_4425.html
    osolihin.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/pendapat-para-penulis-tentang-menulis/
    techcrunch.com/2011/07/01/homeless-man-arrested-for-using-public-outlet-to-charge-phone/
    www.reddit.com/r/kucoin/comments/1ev45tj/me_researching_for_the_next_100x_on_kucoin_to_put/
    mundovoluble.blogspot.com/2012/04/un-negocio-en-estados-unidos.html

    Etc etc etc …

    Wow... it's indeed a very good and interesting shot. I'm sorry it got stolen a lot or at least used (I assume) without giving credit.

    @Maoby has written:

    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Fuji FinePix S3 Pro (2004)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720326847386/

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54588342441_c157190bc5_b.jpg
    Kodak DCS Pro 14n (2003) / Fuji FinePix S3 Pro (2004)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    That's a nice looking camera - that Nikkor lens looks great on it as well (and I'm really not a fan of how Nikon lenses look).

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    @simplejoy has written:

    [quote="@Maoby"]

    There are several hundred of them since its publication on Flickr in 2012

    Wow... it's indeed a very good and interesting shot. I'm sorry it got stolen a lot or at least used (I assume) without giving credit.

    @Maoby has written:

    I find it quite amusing, and it's a good reflection of society.
    The moment you post anything on social media, you lose control of it forever. ∞

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    July 10, 2025, 11:58 a.m. July 10, 2025, 11:58 a.m.
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    In the "First" category

    Panasonic's first DSLR 4/3 vs. Sony's first ML FF

    Lumix DMC-L1 4/3 (2006) / Sony Alpha 7 (2013)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720327400371/

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54640936147_36debc9c77_b.jpg
    Lumix DMC-L1 (2006) / Sony Alpha 7 (2013)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 7.5 MP (3136 x 2352)
    Panasonic's first 4/3
    Price: $1,900.00 US
    Photos taken with the Leica 14-50mm f/2.8-3.5
    (with a 2.0x magnification)
    ISO 100-1600


    Sony Alpha 7 (2013)
    24 MP FF sensor (6000 x 4000)
    First ML FF
    Price: $1,700.00 US
    Photos taken with the Sony FE 85mm F1.8
    (1.0x magnification)
    ISO 100-6400 (50-25600)

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54641981734_5e22176f95_b.jpg
    N°01 Lumix DMC-L1 (2006)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54641994728_088823c3e6_b.jpg
    N°01 Sony a7 (2013)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    I would like to hear your comments … www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720327400371/

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    barondla
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    @Maoby has written:

    In the "First" category

    Panasonic's first DSLR 4/3 vs. Sony's first ML FF

    Lumix DMC-L1 4/3 (2006) / Sony Alpha 7 (2013)

    www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720327400371/

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54640936147_36debc9c77_b.jpg
    Lumix DMC-L1 (2006) / Sony Alpha 7 (2013)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 7.5 MP (3136 x 2352)
    Panasonic's first 4/3
    Price: $1,900.00 US
    Photos taken with the Leica 14-50mm f/2.8-3.5
    (with a 2.0x magnification)
    ISO 100-1600


    Sony Alpha 7 (2013)
    24 MP FF sensor (6000 x 4000)
    First ML FF
    Price: $1,700.00 US
    Photos taken with the Sony FE 85mm F1.8
    (1.0x magnification)
    ISO 100-6400 (50-25600)

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54641981734_5e22176f95_b.jpg
    N°01 Lumix DMC-L1 (2006)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    live.staticflickr.com/65535/54641994728_088823c3e6_b.jpg
    N°01 Sony a7 (2013)
    by Marc Aubry, sur Flickr

    I would like to hear your comments … www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72177720327400371/

    Excellent comparison. You always do an excellent job with these tests. Appreciate all the time and work you put into this.

    I've never handled an ILC Lumix. I'm partial to the "rangefinder" layout. It helps keep the nose off the screen. This model looks very similar to the Olympus E-300 I owned. The colors look better than the yellowish Sony example.
    Thanks for sharing,
    barondla

    Not sure I could reliably pick the FF from 4/3 without pixel peeping.

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