• May 17, 2023, 9:43 p.m.

    My experience is that these sites tend to ignore that information. Haven't got in touch with that one yet, though.
    Anyway, I posted thins in the comments at the bottom:

    It's awaiting approval, let's see if they do.

  • Members 457 posts
    May 17, 2023, 9:43 p.m.

    My problem is not with the article. There is so much disinformation out there anyway.

    My beef is with you recommending it as an educational resource. Why mislead people?

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 17, 2023, 9:47 p.m.

    Its easy in the field, smoother tonal graduations ,because the larger pixels has a higher level of voltage/charge accuracy that has to be read.

  • May 17, 2023, 9:52 p.m.

    By and large smaller pixels have a higher voltage because they tend to have higher conversion gain. The 'smoother tonal graduations' bit is a myth. More small pixels captures more information about the scene that fewer big pixels.

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:03 p.m.

    my a6300 and my past em1mk2 tell a different story to yours.

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:07 p.m.

    did you ever see my 1/4 sensor 10meg a7r2 studio test shots against my em1mk2 20 meg images. that theory was totally a myth in detail and noise. the 1/4 sensor shot had a slight advantage on both counts.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:08 p.m.

    There will be virtually no noise differences in prints made from same size, same technology, sensors with different pixel pitches, when all are downsampled to 4500x3000.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:09 p.m.

    You are again conflating large pixels with large sensors.

  • Members 83 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:12 p.m.

    Cropped, not down sampled. It is difficult to get closer to the bird. Other than that, I agree.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:13 p.m.

    Not true. There is no reason to think that larger pixels have higher saturation voltages. It is true that larger pixels can store more charge, but that advantage disappears for same size sensors when the images are downsampled to the same print size.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:14 p.m.

    They have higher voltage per unit charge for that reason, but I don't know of a reason why they should have higher saturation voltage, all else equal.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:14 p.m.

    You are comparing sensors of different sizes.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:18 p.m.

    We're talking same sized sensors, right? So if you crop to x by y mm, you'll have more pixels with the sensor with the finer pixel pitch, and you'll have to downsample to get it to the same pixel size as the sensor with the coarser pixel pitch.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:29 p.m.

    Part 3, pixel shift and stacking, do they help? Or that's multi-exposure and not exposure?

  • Members 83 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:32 p.m.

    No. But you are correct for the context you give.

    I never intend to crop to a given area of the sensor in mm. I have a sensor. I plan to crop to 4500x3000 pixels. The print service offers to print 4500x3000 pixels at some arbitrary size. If the print service downsamples, then I get a smaller commission. I do not choose a different sensor when I see a bird. The noise per pixel matters. It would not matter if the bird would let me get closer, because then I could downsample and the noise would be less visible. It would not matter if the bird would pose on a sunny branch instead of one in the shade. (Some of the birds are difficult models and will not follow direction :) )

    Cropping to 4500x3000 pixels on my EOS R5 appears less noisy than cropping to 4500x3000 pixels on my EOS 80D when using the same lens in the same light with the bird at the same distance. The bird occupies a little more of the frame with the EOS 80D. The pixels on my EOS R5 are larger than those on my EOS 80D and are also newer technology.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:33 p.m.
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    May 17, 2023, 10:37 p.m.

    With the same focal length lens, the field of view is determined by the dimensions of the crop in either sensor. For a fine pitch sensor and a coarse pitch sensor of the same physical size, cropped to the same physical dimensions, the number of pixels in the field of view will be larger in the fine pitch sensor, and the image will need to be downsampled to have the same field of view as the same crop with the coarse pitch sensor.

    So the photon noise SNR in the two prints will be the same.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 10:38 p.m.

    I don't understand that.