• Members 240 posts
    May 17, 2023, 6:42 p.m.

    Or maybe I’ll just keep posting that stuff on my own blog, or maybe join FM which seems to be massively more oriented to photography rather than a bunch of scientists having a pissing contest

  • Removed user
    May 17, 2023, 6:51 p.m.

    I have time to slow down, so what is meant by "maximise"?

    2&3 are not applicable to my camera, so no comment.

  • Members 240 posts
    May 17, 2023, 6:56 p.m.

    I think you meant to say your way of working. Because clearly my points are not camera specific. Some folk won’t or don’t need to understand this. And that’s fine. Crack on!

  • May 17, 2023, 7:05 p.m.

    That's very pejorative. That's not what people are doing here.

  • Members 209 posts
    May 17, 2023, 7:10 p.m.

    Seems to me you are doing close to half of the pissing

  • Members 549 posts
    May 17, 2023, 7:11 p.m.

    You may need to step back a bit and realize how much of the innuendo that you perceive here comes from yourself.

    Jim gave a number, not a statement that "you must get this 0.37 stops of lower photon noise, or your images are riddled with noise".

    Options; not mandates.

  • Members 457 posts
    May 17, 2023, 7:36 p.m.

    Larger sensors have more DR only if you can give them more light.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 7:45 p.m.

    They have more DR if you give them the same number of photons per unit area, but there are sometimes reasons why you can't -- or don't want to -- do that.

    Practically, taking full advantage of larger sensors means longer exposures at equivalent apertures. Twas ever thus, even in the film days.

  • May 17, 2023, 7:53 p.m.

    That makes sense to me

    Alan

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:09 p.m.

    Red plastic isn't a problem, unless it's fluorescent. Red flowers are the problem.
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    i think you buggered up your copy and pastes and qutoes. gets me all the time as well.

  • Members 457 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:15 p.m.

    Yes. On the other hand …
    When shooting handheld, in low light, the slowest possible shutter speed is fixed, regardless of sensor size. This means that with equivalent apertures and at lower light (handheld), contrary to conventional wisdom, larger sensors do not have an advantage. Correct?

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:23 p.m.

    Correct, except, possibly the "contrary to conventional wisdom" part. All the photographers I know well don't buy into what you're calling conventional wisdom.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:25 p.m.
  • Members 2365 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:29 p.m.

    Bigger pixels win ,nothing more to say on the subject.

  • May 17, 2023, 8:30 p.m.

    Sorry folks, had a Phil Askey moment - got fed up with the negativity, and put it all here. People can still follow that line of discussion if they want, but it stops it polluting Jim's thread.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:31 p.m.

    They do not. Today, full well capacities are running around 3000 electrons per square micrometer regardless of pixel size.

  • May 17, 2023, 8:32 p.m.

    Mainly comes from designing to 100 ISO and getting a fairly consistent QE.

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 17, 2023, 8:34 p.m.

    I shot with m43 for 5 years professionally and now sony FF for 3 years. i could post many (1000 of in studio portraits , but not to offend M43 users
    i will keep the outcome to my self.
    BTW i won a debate on this same subject years ago with the sony a7s3 and s2 when no one picked up the s3 was a 48meg sensor 😁