• Removed user
    June 11, 2023, 3:32 p.m.

    But Danno, didn't you know that the ISO setting magically changes the sensor's sensitivity - thereby circumventing all known laws of physics?

  • Members 1738 posts
    June 11, 2023, 3:33 p.m.

    It occurs when using all the Lr profiles. There are tone curves baked into those profiles, but what I'm talking about is the way the Lr "Exposure" control works on the data after it comes out of the profile.

  • Removed user
    June 11, 2023, 5:08 p.m.

    Interesting! I had never heard of the Pyramid, so I went here:

    exposureworks.co.uk/exposure-triangle-aperture-shutter-speed-iso-cheat-card/

    The addition of light made it most illuminating. 😉

    There, I learned that, if you up the aperture by 3 steps, you should raise the shutter speed by the same ...

    .. here in Texas we say "If yew had'na told me that, ah would never of known". Some shorten that down to "Izzadda fak?"

    Also learned that, if you up the aperture by 3 steps, you should up the ISO by the same while the shutter speed stays the same by magic.

  • June 11, 2023, 6:22 p.m.

    That depends on which of the several versions you choose.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 12, 2023, 3:07 a.m.

    Nope, in your actual quote of what I said I explain why I don't need a triangle or any other shape to enable me to understand that for a constant image lightness, not constant exposure*, there is an inverse relationship between any 2 of aperture, shutter speed and ISO 🙂

    * exposure - amount of light that struck the sensor per unit area while the shutter was open

  • Removed user
    June 12, 2023, 4:52 a.m.

    It occurs to me that there might some sort of support for that in the ISO Standard Output Sensitivity Method because it is based on a constant image lightness of 118/255.

    The cognoscenti of this site should know more about that ...

  • Members 727 posts
    June 12, 2023, 11:55 a.m.

    I call it as it's being called in camera manual, in the books etc. You can call it what ever you feel. And changing it in camera produces the same affect as changing sensitivity to the light (will require more or less light to produce the same image lightness for the same illumination). You can change it in camera or in post, still the same.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 12, 2023, 12:07 p.m.

    By including "for a constant image lightness, not exposure*,..." I have never needed to say the third remains fixed for people to understand what I meant.

    In the example camera settings I post people see that the 3rd setting is fixed without me having to tell them.

    * exposure - amount of light that struck the sensor per unit area while the shutter was open.

  • Members 878 posts
    June 12, 2023, 12:13 p.m.

    By doing that, you made it wrong. It would have been wrong if you did not do that as well. And no, two wrongs do not make one right here.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 12, 2023, 12:16 p.m.

    We'll just have to disagree on this one.

    With the example camera settings I post people see the 3rd setting is fixed so there is no confusion in what I am saying.

  • June 12, 2023, 12:39 p.m.

    That's changing the responsivity, not the sensitivity. In any case, to think that changing responsivity of a transducer is the only way to change the output of the system in which it's used is a grave conceptual error. It's like saying that the only way to make your record player louder is to buy a cartridge with a larger output. Then going on to say that the volume control is in fact a cartridge 'sensitivity' control.

  • Members 976 posts
    June 12, 2023, 1:39 p.m.

    Yes, and how it's being called distorts physics behind the camera operation.

  • Members 280 posts
    June 12, 2023, 2:09 p.m.

    Learning of the relationship between aperture, shutter speed, scene brightness and exposure.

    Don

  • Members 976 posts
    June 12, 2023, 2:14 p.m.

    Maybe also between exposure and noise / clipping.

  • June 12, 2023, 2:18 p.m.

    In fact, that it elevates what is probably the least important concern in exposure management to be the most important, and indeed the sole concern.

  • Members 976 posts
    June 12, 2023, 2:25 p.m.

    Unrealistic ugly pictures are always a concern.

  • Members 549 posts
    June 23, 2023, 6:01 p.m.

    How much does that change with a day's worth of dust?