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IliahBorg
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July 11, 2023, 3:42 p.m. July 11, 2023, 3:42 p.m.
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What I would like to see is the magazine part of the site:
- state of the trade / trends,
- news,
- articles on masters and masterpieces,
- reviews,
- letters to the editor / opinions,
- tests,
- how-tos (techniques, DIY),
- tips and tricks,
- theory,
- buy / sell.

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StanDisbrow
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July 11, 2023, 4:30 p.m. July 11, 2023, 4:30 p.m.
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Hi,

Now, that would be very nice. :)

Stan

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NCV
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July 11, 2023, 5:42 p.m. July 11, 2023, 5:42 p.m.
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I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

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AlanSh
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July 11, 2023, 7:54 p.m. July 11, 2023, 7:54 p.m.
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We are reliant on a few people doing the necessary mods to the code to do some of the updates - and they are all volunteers. So, it happens when it happens. Having said that, we do have a plan - we just can't stick to a timetable.

All the suggestions are good and nothing here is being ignored.

Alan

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bobn2
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July 11, 2023, 8:52 p.m. July 11, 2023, 8:52 p.m.
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@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

I think people who prefer DPReview will migrate back there, whatever we do - it's what they used to, and now that it's had a reprieve they'll see it as their major home. My own view is that we shouldn't go off half baked in a bid to stop people drifting back, because we won't succeed, and by doing so we'll foul up our own future. We've had quite a few people offering to write articles, and so when we get our article system going, we should have a lot of content ready to go. I think a relaunch with poor software and a handful of articles would not serve us well.
We're refining our moderation policies as we go along. To my mind the major problem was a small gang of very vocal people who deluded the forums with posts saying we'd got it all wrong, should be banning people and so on. That seems to have calmed down a bit, and even the usual disputants arne's at it as much. Nothings been put in the dumpster for a while.

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Sagittarius
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July 11, 2023, 9:58 p.m. July 11, 2023, 9:58 p.m.
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@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

How did you figure how many people are online?
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Mackiesback
Members 243 posts

July 11, 2023, 10:09 p.m. July 11, 2023, 10:09 p.m.
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@bobn2 has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

I think people who prefer DPReview will migrate back there, whatever we do - it's what they used to, and now that it's had a reprieve they'll see it as their major home. My own view is that we shouldn't go off half baked in a bid to stop people drifting back, because we won't succeed, and by doing so we'll foul up our own future. We've had quite a few people offering to write articles, and so when we get our article system going, we should have a lot of content ready to go. I think a relaunch with poor software and a handful of articles would not serve us well.
We're refining our moderation policies as we go along. To my mind the major problem was a small gang of very vocal people who deluded the forums with posts saying we'd got it all wrong, should be banning people and so on. That seems to have calmed down a bit, and even the usual disputants arne's at it as much. Nothings been put in the dumpster for a while.

Actually, its not one or the other, many will do both. There is no meaningful Z traffic here, so I will get my fix at DPR and to a lesser extent, FM, but still come here for stuff as well.
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StanDisbrow
Members 449 posts

July 11, 2023, 10:24 p.m. July 11, 2023, 10:24 p.m.
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Hi,

Nothing going on over in the Medium Format forum here, either. The latest is 14 days old now. Meanwhile, there are 15 threads with activity in the past day over on DPReview. The MF forum over there never did quit. I think most of us were riding it out until the end. But we were mostly here as well and that seems to have tapered off.

Stan

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DonaldB
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July 11, 2023, 10:39 p.m. July 11, 2023, 10:39 p.m.
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@bobn2 has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

I think people who prefer DPReview will migrate back there, whatever we do - it's what they used to, and now that it's had a reprieve they'll see it as their major home. My own view is that we shouldn't go off half baked in a bid to stop people drifting back, because we won't succeed, and by doing so we'll foul up our own future. We've had quite a few people offering to write articles, and so when we get our article system going, we should have a lot of content ready to go. I think a relaunch with poor software and a handful of articles would not serve us well.
We're refining our moderation policies as we go along. To my mind the major problem was a small gang of very vocal people who deluded the forums with posts saying we'd got it all wrong, should be banning people and so on. That seems to have calmed down a bit, and even the usual disputants arne's at it as much. Nothings been put in the dumpster for a while.

This was a social experiment that didnt end well. you had a vision to build/moderate your forum based on your personal beliefs (equality). and self moderation. well everyone is moving back to the regulated site dispite the rules.
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Stig
Members 599 posts

July 11, 2023, 10:49 p.m. July 11, 2023, 10:49 p.m.
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@DonaldB has written:

@bobn2 has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

I think people who prefer DPReview will migrate back there, whatever we do - it's what they used to, and now that it's had a reprieve they'll see it as their major home. My own view is that we shouldn't go off half baked in a bid to stop people drifting back, because we won't succeed, and by doing so we'll foul up our own future. We've had quite a few people offering to write articles, and so when we get our article system going, we should have a lot of content ready to go. I think a relaunch with poor software and a handful of articles would not serve us well.
We're refining our moderation policies as we go along. To my mind the major problem was a small gang of very vocal people who deluded the forums with posts saying we'd got it all wrong, should be banning people and so on. That seems to have calmed down a bit, and even the usual disputants arne's at it as much. Nothings been put in the dumpster for a while.

This was a social experiment that failed. you had a vision to moderate your forum based on your personal beliefs and preferences. schools have graded classes for a reason, and dont let disruptive students work amoung the acheivers. my daughters state school had an ACE program for the kids with high motivation and academic skills for a good reason, so they could learn without disruption. this stupid analogy of mixing bad with good students is so wrong. its a parenting problem not a schooling problem. you let 1 disruptive student control your classroom and the parents have now moved there kids to a different school. sorry but thats how i see it.

Sorry, but that is not a reasonable comparison. Mostly older adults here and though some my behave like children, it doesn't mean they should be treated so! This forum is a breath of fresh air!
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DonaldB
Members 2365 posts

July 11, 2023, 10:56 p.m. July 11, 2023, 10:56 p.m.
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@Stig has written:

@DonaldB has written:

@bobn2 has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

I think people who prefer DPReview will migrate back there, whatever we do - it's what they used to, and now that it's had a reprieve they'll see it as their major home. My own view is that we shouldn't go off half baked in a bid to stop people drifting back, because we won't succeed, and by doing so we'll foul up our own future. We've had quite a few people offering to write articles, and so when we get our article system going, we should have a lot of content ready to go. I think a relaunch with poor software and a handful of articles would not serve us well.
We're refining our moderation policies as we go along. To my mind the major problem was a small gang of very vocal people who deluded the forums with posts saying we'd got it all wrong, should be banning people and so on. That seems to have calmed down a bit, and even the usual disputants arne's at it as much. Nothings been put in the dumpster for a while.

This was a social experiment that failed. you had a vision to moderate your forum based on your personal beliefs and preferences. schools have graded classes for a reason, and dont let disruptive students work amoung the acheivers. my daughters state school had an ACE program for the kids with high motivation and academic skills for a good reason, so they could learn without disruption. this stupid analogy of mixing bad with good students is so wrong. its a parenting problem not a schooling problem. you let 1 disruptive student control your classroom and the parents have now moved there kids to a different school. sorry but thats how i see it.

Sorry, but that is not a reasonable comparison. Mostly older adults here and though some my behave like children, it doesn't mean they should be treated so! This forum is a breath of fresh air!

It was a breath of fresh air till 1 member decided to let a rotton egg bomb off in the classroom with no consequences. then all the other students deceided to throw waterbombs back (me included) in retaliation only to be repremanded and told to look the other way/turn the other cheek 🤨

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DonaldB
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July 11, 2023, 11:14 p.m. July 11, 2023, 11:14 p.m.
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@DonaldB has written:

@Stig has written:

@DonaldB has written:

@bobn2 has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

I think people who prefer DPReview will migrate back there, whatever we do - it's what they used to, and now that it's had a reprieve they'll see it as their major home. My own view is that we shouldn't go off half baked in a bid to stop people drifting back, because we won't succeed, and by doing so we'll foul up our own future. We've had quite a few people offering to write articles, and so when we get our article system going, we should have a lot of content ready to go. I think a relaunch with poor software and a handful of articles would not serve us well.
We're refining our moderation policies as we go along. To my mind the major problem was a small gang of very vocal people who deluded the forums with posts saying we'd got it all wrong, should be banning people and so on. That seems to have calmed down a bit, and even the usual disputants arne's at it as much. Nothings been put in the dumpster for a while.

This was a social experiment that failed. you had a vision to moderate your forum based on your personal beliefs and preferences. schools have graded classes for a reason, and dont let disruptive students work amoung the acheivers. my daughters state school had an ACE program for the kids with high motivation and academic skills for a good reason, so they could learn without disruption. this stupid analogy of mixing bad with good students is so wrong. its a parenting problem not a schooling problem. you let 1 disruptive student control your classroom and the parents have now moved there kids to a different school. sorry but thats how i see it.

Sorry, but that is not a reasonable comparison. Mostly older adults here and though some my behave like children, it doesn't mean they should be treated so! This forum is a breath of fresh air!

It was a breath of fresh air till 1 member decided to let a rotton egg bomb off in the classroom with no consequences. then all the other students deceided to throw waterbombs back (me included) in realitation only to be repremanded and told to look the other way/turn the other cheek 🤨

then the maths english geeks deceided to raid the woodwork classes and tell them that they didnt know anything about building a square jewely box because they didnt understand trigonometry or capable of spelling it 🙄, woodworkers used a tri-square. then a classroom arguement errupted that its not really a tri square and should be renamed bi-square 😁😂😂
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DMCO
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July 11, 2023, 11:32 p.m. July 11, 2023, 11:32 p.m.
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@Mackiesback has written:

@DMCO has written:

So, the owners of the site open up a thread to discuss the strategic direction of this site since DPR is staying open. And some people want to talk about thread vs flat views and other “important” strategic items. Ummmm, sure, Ok.

Guys who own this site: your efforts have been amazing to date. Take the site in whatever strategic direction you desire. Carve out the niche that you believe will make this site successful. Some will stay, some will leave, others will join, some will complain about the color of the home page. Regardless, move the site to what you wish or close it down as you desire. Your site, your rules.

Not sure telling the owners to do whatever they want in regards to strategic direction adds any more to the conversation than discussing flat view vs threaded. But yeah....."important".

I already said, once, earlier in this thread what specific strategic direction that I would recommend. I didn’t talk about chaff.

It’s on about the third page. Maybe go back and read it?
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NCV
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July 12, 2023, 4:32 a.m. July 12, 2023, 4:32 a.m.
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@Sagittarius has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

How did you figure how many people are online?

It is written at the top of the forum.
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Ghundred
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July 12, 2023, 7:03 a.m. July 12, 2023, 7:03 a.m.
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Seems as good a place as any to write this. She's dead Nigel.
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bobn2
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July 12, 2023, 7:09 a.m. July 12, 2023, 7:09 a.m.
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@DonaldB has written:

This was a social experiment that didnt end well. you had a vision to build/moderate your forum based on your personal beliefs (equality). and self moderation. well everyone is moving back to the regulated site dispite the rules.

I don't think the 'rules' have much to do with it. Other continuity sites with different approaches have suffered in the same way. And you know that you're as much a beneficiary of our approach as anyone.

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Sagittarius
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July 12, 2023, 11:45 a.m. July 12, 2023, 11:45 a.m.
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@NCV has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

@NCV has written:

I believe, "Where do we go from here" needs actioning pretty swiftly as there is the prospect of people drifting back to DPR.

Out of curiosity, one boring evening, I took a look at the other forum that was born out of the announcement that DPR was closing. There were just 3 members online, I just took another look before writing this and there were just 2 members online! I thought "Nikon Café", my other hangout was low on traffic, but they jog along at about 40 members online in any one moment. The moderation team on Sniper5's forum seems to have been reduced to just three, including two of DPR's most vindictive and nasty moderators. I quess with that level of traffic, poor old Sniper5 can do the moderation alone.

The weekly picture threads that migrated from DPR, seem to be working quite well here, and I would say they are the big attraction for many of us. Maybe this forum is proving attractive to those who have got beyond the gear "Fanboy" stage, and are actually interested in photography.

The free and easy moderation is an attraction too for many of us who fell foul of the schizophrenic moderation on DPR, but I few things I read on that other forum suggest that certain troublesome behaviours need to be contained, preferably with a bit more use of the Dumpster.

How did you figure how many people are online?

It is written at the top of the forum.

I still couldn't find it.
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Greg
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July 12, 2023, 12:19 p.m. July 12, 2023, 12:19 p.m.
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