ive just printed an A4 from my new pro 200 and the image quallity is beautiful from the d30. i want one, but none for sale here in AUS π
ive just printed an A4 from my new pro 200 and the image quallity is beautiful from the d30. i want one, but none for sale here in AUS π
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
what amazes me as well is photographers are just as blind as musos are deaf π«£ ive been learning a new song on my new guitar and 2 cords just sounded not quite right, ive spent 2 days looking at all the cord progressions form 20 different people and i was still not happy, but then this morning i have finally nailed the correct cords π never say never if you dont post anything and listern to everyone else your bound to come unstuck, just ask Jim K hows his 10x macro is going with MF π its how i got my perm moderation π€¨ its the same with there extreme macro setups. they all copy each other and they are all wrong, there systems are useless and defy all lodgic, but hey they all think they know better, i just posted my setup to a mod getting into exteme macro, but havnt had a response back, probally because its game changing and very well designed and he doesnt want to start from scratch.
@sybersitizen has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
what amazes me as well is photographers are just as blind as musos are deaf π«£ ive been learning a new song on my new guitar and 2 cords just sounded not quite right, ive spent 2 days looking at all the cord progressions form 20 different people and i was still not happy, but then this morning i have finally nailed the correct cords π never say never if you dont post anything and listern to everyone else your bound to come unstuck, just ask Jim K hows his 10x macro is going with MF π its how i got my perm moderation π€¨ its the same with there extreme macro setups. they all copy each other and they are all wrong, there systems are useless and defy all lodgic, but hey they all think they know better, i just posted my setup to a mod getting into exteme macro, but havnt had a response back, probally because its game changing and very well designed and he doesnt want to start from scratch.
All of that is just your opinions.
@DonaldB has written: @sybersitizen has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @sybersitizen has written: @Maoby has written:I have already published several comparisons involving the Canon D30 here, in total indifference, as usual in this forum
For me, indifference in threads like this is the result of seeing that DonaldB's convictions on this topic have never been changed by anything posted by anyone.
DonaldB is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else.
Sure, people are 'entitled' to believe anything they want to believe, even if it's false. It happens constantly. That's why it's sensible to adopt a reaction of indifference to these repeating threads that showcase opposing beliefs about pixel size. The attempts to accomplish change simply fail, time after time.
what amazes me as well is photographers are just as blind as musos are deaf π«£ ive been learning a new song on my new guitar and 2 cords just sounded not quite right, ive spent 2 days looking at all the cord progressions form 20 different people and i was still not happy, but then this morning i have finally nailed the correct cords π never say never if you dont post anything and listern to everyone else your bound to come unstuck, just ask Jim K hows his 10x macro is going with MF π its how i got my perm moderation π€¨ its the same with there extreme macro setups. they all copy each other and they are all wrong, there systems are useless and defy all lodgic, but hey they all think they know better, i just posted my setup to a mod getting into exteme macro, but havnt had a response back, probally because its game changing and very well designed and he doesnt want to start from scratch.
All of that is just your opinions.
pretty safe bet if you ask me π€
I was referring to your opinions about Jim K.
Just because you might disagree with him doesn't make what he says wrong.
You were justifiably sandboxed from what I saw.
I was referring to your opinions about Jim K.
Just because you might disagree with him doesn't make what he says wrong.
You have to be pretty smart to find Jim K to be wrong - and be right. The converse also applies.
@DanHasLeftForum has written:I was referring to your opinions about Jim K.
Just because you might disagree with him doesn't make what he says wrong.
You have to be pretty smart to find Jim K to be wrong - and be right. The converse also applies.
That's why I would back Jim K against the likes of DonaldB, especially when DonaldB makes unproven claims which are then at best simply his opinions.
@bobn2 has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written:I was referring to your opinions about Jim K.
Just because you might disagree with him doesn't make what he says wrong.
You have to be pretty smart to find Jim K to be wrong - and be right. The converse also applies.
That's why I would back Jim K against the likes of DonaldB, especially when DonaldB makes unproven claims which are then at best simply his opinions.
i dont take images of other peoples art/work , i create my own content.
@JohnSheehyRev has written:and still have far more detail than a 3.1MP sensor version.
your not listerning, i havent once mentioned detail, im a portrait shooter and color (expecially shadowed skin tones that can be accurately recovered) is my ultimate objective (pun). big pixels are better period.
Then you should shoot with a single-pixel sensor.
hey leejay you have just solved the world energy crisis, we all need to install the fuji gfx100meg sensor on our roofs π«£it has 100 million solar panels πmore is better right π
Are you dumb, or just obnoxious?
@DonaldB has written: @JohnSheehyRev has written:and still have far more detail than a 3.1MP sensor version.
your not listerning, i havent once mentioned detail, im a portrait shooter and color (expecially shadowed skin tones that can be accurately recovered) is my ultimate objective (pun). big pixels are better period.
Then you should shoot with a single-pixel sensor.
you should shoot with a phone π it might even power your home they have 200 solar panels 2x the gfx2.
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @DonaldB has written:i prompt anyone to download a D30 image and push the shadows and pul back highlights with a jpeg and then upscale 3x ,the files blow our raws away π
You seem to be forgetting the undeniable fact that all jpegs from digital cameras are originally raw data.
Raw data can be processed to look like just about anything you like and then output it as a jpeg.
In my experience the size of the sensor's pixels is not the main driver behind the quality of the color graduations you refer to.
hey danno go to your local jcar electronic store and buy a photodiode then go to the local 4wd shop and buy a soloar panel ,connect a multi meter to both and watch the sun rise and tell me which device starts detecting photons first π€ͺ
This has no application, whatsoever, to the issue of subdividing a given sensing area into photosites of varying density.
but what i noticed is the massive step backward from the d30 to the 20d in the kodak gradiant scale.
The greyscale? If it is the greyscale you are talking about, that is a matter of glare on the card and conversion levels/contrast settings, and has nothing to do with color filters, noise, or anything that can vary with pixel size, when the exposure is that high. With less total light per patch, and more noise, then the darker patches may all look similar or get lost, no matter what the contrast, gamma, or lightness.
@DonaldB has written: @JohnSheehyRev has written:and still have far more detail than a 3.1MP sensor version.
your not listerning, i havent once mentioned detail, im a portrait shooter and color (expecially shadowed skin tones that can be accurately recovered) is my ultimate objective (pun). big pixels are better period.
Then you should shoot with a single-pixel sensor.
Talk about all your eggs in one basket!
@DonaldB has written:but what i noticed is the massive step backward from the d30 to the 20d in the kodak gradiant scale.
The greyscale? If it is the greyscale you are talking about, that is a matter of glare on the card and conversion levels/contrast settings, and has nothing to do with color filters, noise, or anything that can vary with pixel size, when the exposure is that high. With less total light per patch, and more noise, then the darker patches may all look similar or get lost, no matter what the contrast, gamma, or lightness.
all the test images were taken with controled lighting by DPR i pushed the sample images to expose the darker patches to see what sensor had better tone seperation which is due to more acurate photon charge being recorded. and we can clearly see the larger pixel is by far better . i just processed another sample from DPR sample images. shadow recovery form the 3 meg sensor is amazing and im pushing the jpegs, i always said my FF jpegs can easliy out perform any m43 raw files.
@JohnSheehyRev has written: @DonaldB has written:but what i noticed is the massive step backward from the d30 to the 20d in the kodak gradiant scale.
The greyscale? If it is the greyscale you are talking about, that is a matter of glare on the card and conversion levels/contrast settings, and has nothing to do with color filters, noise, or anything that can vary with pixel size, when the exposure is that high. With less total light per patch, and more noise, then the darker patches may all look similar or get lost, no matter what the contrast, gamma, or lightness.
all the test images were taken with controled lighting by DPR i pushed the sample images to expose the darker patches to see what sensor had better tone seperation which is due to more acurate photon charge being recorded. and we can clearly see the larger pixel is by far better . i just processed another sample from DPR sample images. shadow recovery form the 3 meg sensor is amazing and im pushing the jpegs, i always said my FF jpegs can easliy out perform any m43 raw files.
Do you even realize how crazy this argument is, from a mathematical point of view? Essentially what you're saying is that stairs are a better approximation of the side of mountain than a curve is.
@GrumpyMushroom has written:Un-fucking-believable that you guys still haven't kicked this moron out.
We don't 'kick people out'. One person's moron is another's inspiration.
That should be the new motto for the GOP. π
@DonaldB has written: @JohnSheehyRev has written: @DonaldB has written:but what i noticed is the massive step backward from the d30 to the 20d in the kodak gradiant scale.
The greyscale? If it is the greyscale you are talking about, that is a matter of glare on the card and conversion levels/contrast settings, and has nothing to do with color filters, noise, or anything that can vary with pixel size, when the exposure is that high. With less total light per patch, and more noise, then the darker patches may all look similar or get lost, no matter what the contrast, gamma, or lightness.
all the test images were taken with controled lighting by DPR i pushed the sample images to expose the darker patches to see what sensor had better tone seperation which is due to more acurate photon charge being recorded. and we can clearly see the larger pixel is by far better . i just processed another sample from DPR sample images. shadow recovery form the 3 meg sensor is amazing and im pushing the jpegs, i always said my FF jpegs can easliy out perform any m43 raw files.
Do you even realize how crazy this argument is, from a mathematical point of view? Essentially what you're saying is that stairs are a better approximation of the side of mountain than a curve is.
plot the "stair" in the images and post the graph from several cameras of any era. ive measured some of the patches via Ps eye dropper tool and some go the wrong way π€ just post your conclusions via images im sick of armchair mathematicians, they are about as acurate as meteorologist π