• Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, noon

    Though I know nothing about the museum you hoped to photograph in, I can say that I probably prefer this to whatever you might have found there. Many museum photos have the disadvantage of being photographs of someone else's art (or at least, one's interpretation thereof), where this is a photograph that is your own art. It's an interesting abstract with an interesting but limited color palette, a limited set of compositional concepts (lines), and a limited set of textures. There is a visual challenge in puzzling out the lines and the changes in directionality of those lines. Visually it is very "contained" and manages to be both soothing and unsettling at the same time. I like it.

  • Members 1320 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 12:03 p.m.

    I can't add anything to your comments and I do like your sky. I just thought a bit of contrast would help plus a wee sharpen

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    JPG, 544.7 KB, uploaded by Bryan on Sept. 13, 2024.

  • Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 12:31 p.m.

    Beautiful structure with a wealth of architectural details, dramatically (and historically) lit. You've captured the lighting so nicely, and the contrast between the warm candle/lantern type light with the deep blue of the early night sky creates a welcoming and comforting air. The outdoor screen is a harsh reminder of our being in the modern era, and I agree with some that it shows up too bright, which might be unavoidable in a single capture in these conditions. The screen can be subdued somewhat in post, so that it isn't as much of a distraction, unless you like its brightness for the contrasting message of old/new.

    I honestly wanted to see what this wonderful old structure looked like without the screen so I tried an edit and asked Photoshop to get rid of it. It did a fairly credible job of it, I think. So I went a bit further, gave it some breathing room and straightened it a touch, then did a bit of noise reduction.

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    JPG, 3.5 MB, uploaded by minniev on Sept. 13, 2024.

  • Sept. 13, 2024, 12:52 p.m.

    What is interesting - I like the original image more. Had Photoshop created illuminated, full windows like other ones are, maybe my feeling would be different.
    To lessen distraction the screen could probably be dimmed and made a bit more orange - I have no possibility to try that ATM.

  • Members 1722 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 1:24 p.m.

    Apart from some very nice Monet's inside, I knew nothing about the contents either. It was the building itself I was chasing. It uses planes of concrete that are carefully arranged for the light and lines. It isn't the same but there are overlaps with the way light works on the concrete masses of your Dam bird series. A couple of the other venues have similar thinking in their use of concrete and light and I managed a few shots in these.

  • Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 1:24 p.m.

    It would be fairly easy to emulate the lighting in the windows but would require some manual tinkering. AI is not as clever as a human. I was surprised it copied the windows so well, but human fiddling would be required several places in this one to finish it out in a convincing way .

  • Members 1722 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 1:33 p.m.

    Working backwards to construct the sky from the reflection -that's clever minniev. I wasn't fussed by Roel's original.

  • Members 1722 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 1:50 p.m.

    Dan, you are arguing with yourself. Right from the outset I agreed that ETTR could have been used and I suggested that Chris look at your suggested steps for future use. I have previously suggested ETTR in connection with other images posted here as well. Chris thanked you for the suggestions and said he'd consider them in future. In the case of this particular image I think the better noise reduction programs will work just fine. minniev applied it and I don't think she was even working with the RAW files. Unless Chris has plans to make this into a largish print, I think it works just fine.

  • Members 1722 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 2:14 p.m.

    G'Day MikePDX
    It has taken me a while to get around to these. I've been hopping on and off ferries and trains and buses and sitting in various waiting places trying to write responses where I can get net access.
    I like them individually and collectively. Each has repetitions of colour and form that make it worth looking at in its own right. Collectively there is pleasure in the variety of forms rust can take. Rust can produce such strong colours.
    In the next day or so I'll download some shots I took yesterday at an expensive art installation. Keep your eye on your second example.

  • Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 2:47 p.m.

    Nice set of this beautiful bird in flight from a three quarters angle that shows all his lovely features, and his flight movements. Well caught, for sharpness and detail. I'm still intrigued with these white faces on a heron that otherwise looks much like a paler version of our great blues. Well done.

  • Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 2:52 p.m.

    The reflection of a classically beautiful old structure reflected in the chrome and glass and concrete modern day structure encapsulates the change in style without being explicit about it. The framing - umbrellas on the right and tree on the left offers grace and balance in contrasting colors. My favorite part: the tiny green scooter that matches the color of the foliage.

  • Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 2:54 p.m.
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    Sept. 13, 2024, 2:58 p.m.

    Oh please don't make it your last. I'm thoroughly enjoying getting lost in the details and forms and textures. The middle two remind me of ancient cave paintings or petroglyphs. Beautiful colors and flowing lines in the last one. Excellent series.

  • Members 893 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 3:17 p.m.

    That is a wonderful intervention.
    I wish I was able to do things like that.
    But I am (a) a bit too lazy and (b) a bit too stubborn, insisting that in principle, I try to avoid digital manipulation in the sense of content replacement.
    It's not like there are pulitzer prizes or World Press Photo rules involved (it is "just" guidebook photography), but I still always try to get the shot that is required, working with the situation that presents itself, selecting angles and vantage points etc to hide distractions. It is a big part of the fun and challenge for me.
    Sky replacement has probably become always easier, but somehow it rubs me wrongly (not in other people's images but in my own).

  • Members 1802 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 4:44 p.m.

    I feel much the same. In general, I don't do sky replacement. I have probably done it less than a half dozen times before today, and then only for play to see what would happen. Once I did it for pay because a fellow wanted a particular image of mine "with puffy white clouds", and all the factors in the image would never be available together again, ever. So I went back to the scene and reshot it on a day with puffy white clouds, then dropped that sky into the image he liked. He was thrilled. I still felt kinda weird about it.

    This image was a unique opportunity to actually try to replace a lost sky with itself because of the clarity of the reflection and the other information available in the image about what the sky was like in real life. I just made a patch of the reflected sky, turned it upside down and dropped it in place.

  • Members 4254 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 7:57 p.m.

    I don't see the point you are making.

    Your opinion was that a noise reduction app was a better step than ETTR and earlier you posted that you wouldn't use ETTR for that scene.

    I posted why imo ETTR was a better first step to minimise noise in the raw data and then use a noise reduction app to remove any residual noise.

  • Members 425 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 10:38 p.m.

    I don't quite understand.
    Do you want to pass on your frustration to us with this photo?
    Even though you didn't want to share it with us?
    I assume that there are definitely much more interesting things to photograph on the island of Naoshima.
    I'm waiting for it.

  • Members 727 posts
    Sept. 13, 2024, 11:25 p.m.

    These are all mine, don't even think about it.😀
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    Please do not edit

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    JPG, 657.9 KB, uploaded by Sagittarius on Sept. 13, 2024.