I'm curious to see who will praise this photo next.
I'm curious to see who will praise this photo next.
@DanHasLeftForum has written:This is one of several scenic lakes we came across walking around Jichang Garden, Wuxi, about 90 minutes from Shanghai on a bullet train.
I think you enjoy fooling photo experts.
You've already done it!
Where is this warm spotlight supposed to come from?
I'm happy to see you picked up on the fact it obviously isn't a documentary version.
The lighting in the actual scene was dull and flat so I added some warmth to the scene.
From all the feedback I have received since it was first posted on the www some like it and some don't and that's fine.
It gets people talking about my images which is what I aim for. Thank you for contributing.
If you don't like it then that's fine. I have no issue with that but surely you are not suggesting that everyone should extrapolate that to mean that no-one else must like it, are you?
@Sagittarius has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written:[quote="@Sagittarius"]
FightSensational photo but I would crop out the logo/shield/whatever it is near the top left in the background and darken the back wall because it doesn't add anything for me. For me it's a distracting eye-magnet taking my eyes off the subject of the photo - the combatants.
This crop works much better for me.
As always, just some food for thought.
Thank you for looking and commenting. The reason I left a hint of the background is to show that this fight is in the arena and not on the beach. 😀
[/quoteIt is an awesome shot. Initially I thought the bright dots were lights of some kind behind the combatants. But they are sparks. Once that sank in I could practically hear the clash of steel on steel. The zig zagging line up through legs and arms of the red fighter adds lots of movement. The same for the red lining on the lower section of his coat. The moment screams of action. The light/dark bottom and top adds more drama and shows off the sparks.
Re the crop v the wide angle. I see what you are saying about the arena but then I like the detail of the close up. The close up makes it more apparent that those are sparks. Can we compromise with a series of shots? One to establish the setting then close ups to get seven more involved in the action?
Whatever, its a fabulous shot.
This is wonderful. Capturing the combatants, with their colourful costumes against the dark backgrounds is good. Even better is the moment you captured, with the red knight in action, with one foot off the ground, whilst the blue knight stands with both feet planted firmly, showing a seemingly strong defence. But the real killer is the shower of sparks from the clash of steel blades, lighting up so dramatically against that black background, which show the real power involved and evidence that is not merely a choreographed touching of swords.
I agree with Mike about the benefits of a crop or the original and could live with either, or be greedy and like vote for both.
Pete
@DanHasLeftForum has written: @MikeFewster has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written:I have no idea what flower this is but it looked nice.
Fuschias are rich coloured with a delicate hanging form. You have captured both aspects here. The curving long this line of the stalk is continued in the stamens beneath the petals and the curve of the bud nestles alongside the curve of the main flower. I like the space left below the flower. The "hanging" nature of the flowers is one of the attractions of fuschias and the space below the subject makes the point.
Without going into pixel peeping, I think the flower has probably been brightened a little. Perhaps, perhaps not. If so, it has been carefully so it doesn't distract by being immediately obvious.
Dof/bokeh carefully selected to lift the flowers from the background.Thank you but you never cease to amaze me regarding how much more you "read" into my images than I ever envisaged when I took the photo or during post processing.
Anyway, below is the original. It didn't really do much for me at the time because the flower didn't stand out enough for my liking and the scene lacked atmosphere and/or mood. The flower just blended too much into the background for me, hence the "artistic" version posted above.
I appreciate it when sometimes a photographer shows the original image. We get a window into the creative thinking that went into the final image. It's the difference between a snapshooter and a photographer.
I too enjoyed seeing both versions. Actually it made me appreciate your edited version even more, especially as you edited it in a way I almost certainly would not have tried. I may well have cropped the same way, but I would not have made the image more blue, and I think doing that has made the background seem darker and less inviting, allowing the flower to stand out more, even though it too has a blue cast. Nice touch.
@Bryan has written: @minniev has written: @Bryan has written:White Faced Heron - I believe...
A beautiful heron of a type I've never seen so likely one of your unique Aussie-birds. I know his American relatives quite well though, and he has the same body type and flight style, though his coloring is different. Hard to get such a sharp clear eye in one of these fellows in flight. Well done.
Thanks minnie, a touch of sharpening helped a bit with the eye and feathers there. I thought the ones I was seeing were all the same species until I noticed the difference with the following one, which is I think, a Pacific Heron and possibly familiar to you? I have a version where I cloned out the oof foreground trees but I felt they provide a bit of a frame...
Naw, I'm about as far as you can get from the Pacific and still be in the US. Our herons are mainly Great Blues. We see some little blues, and some occasional other passersby as they migrate but the Great Blues rule. Same body type, same flight form, same eyes. Obviously cousins! And yeah I understand the devils' bargain we make when we use m43 equipment. It's portable, it's lightweight, you get a lot of bang for your lens length buck, lots of built in toys. But you pay for it with noise and detail when you're not in really great light. Always choices about whether to risk using a higher ISO, or risk lack of sharpness with lower shutter speeds, or whether to underexpose and try to do more in post, or whether to just walk away and grumble about it.
Nicely caught bird in flight from an attractive angle.
I photographed a heron this morning, which is the European variety, and no doubt yet another species in the collection! I haven’t even seen the result on the back of the camera - I took quite a few photos this morning!
@JSPhotoHobby has written:I could have used a polarizer, but I didn't know what a polarizer was yet.
I never seem to have a polarizer when I need it, so I'm usually no better off for knowing. We take our pictures with what we have, in terms of knowledge, equipment and conditions. This is an interesting object (a viewing platform in a big city, seen from another similar platform?). The humans caught inside and thus suspended look like travelers in a space ship. I'm curious what/where it is. Photos that make people curious are generally considered successful. I wouldn't bother to try to clean up the reflections, either, they are part of the story for this one.
I agree with Minnie that the reflections are actually an interesting part of the photo, and add a touch of mystery. The photo is about the London Eye experience and shows a capsule and part of the Eye’s structure, so the reflections are really just a confirmation that the photographer is in a similar capsule. (Where else, I suppose!) Had your photo just shown the view over London, then the reflections would probably have been an annoyance.
Classic Cars
Fine cars and you have presented them well under the difficult museum conditions.
HEAVY DUTY
An image from the very first day of a wonderful trip to Tamil Nadu and Kerala in Dec 2016 and January 2017.
(I always think of that trip of comprising indeed those two regions and not as being a trip "to India", because I am sure that the subcontinent is so diverse that we need to go back a few more times to start to get a bit of a grasp on the full country.).We landed in Chennai (aka Madras) and then spent two nights in Mammalapuram (aka Mahabalipuram) to explore the rock temples and hugely impressive elephant and chariot statues there.
In that sense, as western tourists we joined the hundreds if not thousands of Hindu pilgrims, for whom a visit to these temples (and the adjoining fairs and markets) was often their first confrontation with the ocean (Sea of Bengal). Lovely experiences.
Because, yes, the temples were indeed very nice.
But much more than the archeological sites, it was the constant overflow of sensory input and the constant presence of interesting people with whom we had to communicate mostly with body language, that gave us our first taste of the country.
(For a somewhat bigger view, right-click on the image and open in a new tab.)
Your trademark leading lines connect the two women to the two men. The men have the motorbike as a centre of attention, but the bright clothes of the women have helped attract the attention of one of them away from the boys’ toy and the viewer follows a similar route. The theme of groups segregated by sex, but joined by eye-contact, is one that I found often in India , and enjoyed trying to photograph, and which you have done so well here.
The Strand, Oceanside, CA, south of the pier.
Rich
I didn’t pick up on the similarity to Hopper, but can see why you think that now. The details of the interior are sparse, but give a hint of character in a way Hopper could do.
The expanse of blue wall has two openings, one of which shows the interior and the other dried grass, which is a fun contrast. The grass at the bottom hints at the way Hopper liked to have nature encroaching into the scene, and the road too is a common feature, and in this case it points towards a couple of figures, which are very small, but with a number of lines leading towards them, so the take on an importance greater than their size. Hopper also kept his figures quite small, but they too were important in the composition.
Will you merry me?!
I was passing by and heard the question...
Hearing the proposal really adds to the attraction of this photo, and judging by their looks and body language, I think we can guess the answer! Standing on the pillar of the wall, they have become a Statue to Love and Affection.
Devotees.
You have captured the women's faces in a row underneath what must be a heavy religious object. This suggests their feeling of community and also a subservience or sense of duty to the religion. Their faces show a determination and perseverance rather than joy. Their dark clothes and the B&W treatment underline these feelings.
A strong and thought-proving image.
@Rich42 has written:The Strand, Oceanside, CA, south of the pier.
Rich
I didn’t pick up on the similarity to Hopper, but can see why you think that now. The details of the interior are sparse, but give a hint of character in a way Hopper could do.
The expanse of blue wall has two openings, one of which shows the interior and the other dried grass, which is a fun contrast. The grass at the bottom hints at the way Hopper liked to have nature encroaching into the scene, and the road too is a common feature, and in this case it points towards a couple of figures, which are very small, but with a number of lines leading towards them, so the take on an importance greater than their size. Hopper also kept his figures quite small, but they too were important in the composition.
Pete,
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Indulge me a bit . . . Here's my (slight) rework, thinking it utilizes a more "Hopper-ish" look.
Rich
@MikeFewster has written: @minniev has written: @minniev has written:In Memory of a friend -
Thanks for all the thoughtful ideas so far on this project that I care a lot about. More may come in so I won't finalize anything yet, but I wanted to go ahead and start working on some of the ideas. So far I have cropped in further, sort of a cross between Arvo and JS's versions. I did some color correction based on Pete's ideas and Arvo's demo. I lowered brightness along the edges but kept it in the middle because his face was already shaded by his hat. I won't be able to go up there to see his mom till next week so I've just printed up a sample on a good luster paper and have it in the matt so I can study it and see if time or other ideas change my thinking.
@ChrisOly has written:Interesting proposal to comment - you will probably get as many ideas as there are people looking at this image. My personal view is not to change anything, keep it as authentic and real as possible. The only suggestion is to "trim" your brother to showcase the tractor as a integral part of the main person you intend to present.
Thank you Chris. My crop is of just Sylvester, and enough of the tractor to recognize it. He loved that thing.
@Rich42 has written:Minnie,
Making prints for your friend's family will be a wonderful gift that they will cherish.
Don't over think this. Don't worry about any "photographic" qualities you see in the images. His family will see none of those. They will only see him, and experience memories triggered by his facial expression and other cues in the image that escape you. I would make prints of both the versions you show here. Just as they are.
Rich
The main thing to me was catching his contagious smile, which almost always disappeared if he knew you were taking his picture. I caught him off guard while we were having a fun afternoon tearing up an old stump together and pulling treasures out of the roots, stuff that was cast off by both our grandparents long ago.
@ArvoJ has written:No, no, no - IMO best approach is not to fix anything.
Your crop looks pretty good already.
My idea, a bit different:Thanks Arvo, you got me thinking more creatively about the crop and the color balance. Mississippi in summer throws a yellow-green cast over everything, so I did need to beat that back a bit more.
@davidwien has written:(referencing Arvo's version) It seems to me that the important part of the picture is your friend. This crop really allows one to see him well. I like it very much!
David
thanks David. I agree.
@PeteS has written:It’s a fine portrait, and I am sure the family will be delighted. No doubt they are most interested in seeing him, so I like this crop. I also agree that the mask, teeth and cooling cap should be left, showing him true to life.
On my iPad, the photo seems to have a slight green cast and is a bit too bright, so have tried to fix that. The adjustments used in iPad Lightroom were
Red +12
Yellow +2
Exposure -0.37
Highlights -27Appreciate it Pete. So far I'm leaving the broken dental crown, the head cooling cloth in there. They are part of him, I agree. The color numbers were helpful. I didn't tone it down quite as much as you and Arvo did, because Mississippi in summer paints us all yellow green. Cropping further made him jump out more, a good thing.
@JSPhotoHobby has written:I think simple, spontaneous headshots make a nice way to remember someone.
If the tractor is something he is known for, then I would keep it in the image.
If not, then I would crop in pretty close to make him easier to see.
In a perfect world, assuming you could retake an image, the arm from the tractor wouldn't intersect with his head and a mild background blur to increase his separation.When my Uncle passed, my cousin and I scanned hundreds of photos from his life time and choose random ones from different eras. Everyone remembers a person from different times and experiences. We didn't remove or alter the images, we left in all the friends and family members to help every one remember the times they were there with him. We played them on a loop on a tv from a memory stick.
For family, my cousin uploaded all the images to a cloud drive so family members could get copiesI agree, and wished I'd taken some closer shots that day, but I had no reason to think there wouldn't be many more opportunities. I did leave enough of the tractor for it to be recognizable, since he loved it so. He had never bought a piece of brand new farm equipment before and it was his darling. The crop I used for the version I'm with right now is like yours but closer in like Arvo's. Appreciate the help.
More thinking about this shot. I prefer minniev's original crop for another reason. The tractor beam thing that is behind Sylvester's head looks odd when the crop becomes tighter. More tractor in the shot and the beam is more easily recognized as part of the tractor and the viewer doesn't think about it. The beam is simply part of Sylvester;s much loved tractor. Less tractor in the shot and the viewer is distracted in trying to work out what the beam is. I prefer the more vertical crop from minniev as well. The shape is called portrait mode for a reason. We need to ask psychologists why but it really does feel appropriate for people whereas wider views do take the eye more to the surroundings.
I have read through most if not all of the input that you have received on this image, and I am glad that the thread participants are actively helping you here with your decision process, giving lots of options and ideas, but also lots of motivations why some of the PP ideas would be less suited.
Obviously you, having known the man and his family, will be the ultimate judge of what you think those left behind, will cherish most as a memory.
We can only offer our two cents and - in view of all the feedback already received - I will give mine by referring to previous ideas.
1) I would certainly not glamourize the image by "correcting" perceived flaws in the person's own appearance (like "correcting" his teeth): the man is who he is (or rather: was who he was). An idealized version is not what his relatives lived with. To me it would feel like applying make up to a dead person.
2) The crop you initially used is good. It shows the man in his environment and doing his thing (without the distraction of the second person in the wider view).
You might consider going just a bit tighter even, but you should avoid losing the clarity of him sitting on the tractor. Square might work.3) I am not in favour of gimmicky processing tricks like selective colouring, a vignette etc. The portrait is about the person, not about the photograph and even less about the photographer/dark room artist. That kind of tricks distract from the pure beauty of the spontaneous portrait and smile. The only PP trick I might consider doing, would be to do what you would have achieved with a faster lens, i.e. create a bit more blur in the far background. But I do not think it is necessary.
4) However, I am really in favour of the B&W treatment : it will make the image timeless and soften the impact of the bright hard green of the tractor.
I'm kind of liking the black and white too. I wouldn't have thought of it till Kumsal brought it up but it is indeed a nice idea, and it looks good on my screen. I'll do a test print and compare it to the color version. Thanks for your ideas Roel.
@minniev has written:In Memory of a friend -
I'd like to get some helpful suggestions before I make a print for the family of my friend and neighbor Sylvester who died last week. I took this a few weeks before his death. His family really liked this casual shot because Sylvester, though always full of joy, usually pulled a serious face whenever his picture was taken. So I want to make a decent print for his mom and son. I'm sorry I didn't have a better lens on the camera at the time but it is what it is in terms of capture and I never dreamed I wouldn't have more opportunities.
I'd like feedback on the crop, color, possible repairs, etc. I am attaching an uncropped version so you can see what other real estate is available or even show me what you think I should do. (I cropped out my brother and some of the extraneous area of the yard and tractor). I am undecided about fixing things. Do I repair the dental bridge Sylvester kept putting off? Do I remove the cooling towel under his hat and the dust mask around his neck or just consider them part of what he was doing at the moment (working with his much-beloved tractor). Do I clean up the background or ignore it? I don't want to get it too pristine because a man who works a farm is never pristine. Thanks in advance for your ideas.
You have a good photo there, it needs very little. Do not "fix" things, they are part of the personality, they are unique, and would only look odd, out of place if you did. You do not need to clean up the background, the smile and the personality already does that far more effectively, and again it would look odd. The family already like the photo because it shows the person, they connect with that, don't change the person.
If you're going to print you need to make sure that it's bright enough, so very quickly and all done in Camera Raw:
Decrease vibrancy a touch (tractror is a little too vibrant)
Subtly raise the brightness with a rough painted mask on the subject and tractor (don't try to be precise just use a brush with a feathered edge - precise masks look too clinical, by using your hand and a feathered brush you soften and preserve local transitions). You can use more than one brush on the mask and control the opacity so you can bring the face up slightly more.
Use a local brush on the face and shirt with a colour balance, just to counter the green light reflected off the tractor.
Final mask to add a very subtle vignette.
Don't look at the photo with a photographers eye and try to make it conform to your idea of a photo, it's a good shot of a person, trust that.
I hope this helps.
It is hard not to look at a photo with a photographer's eye but you're right, in these circumstances we have to look with more than just that. Thank you for your feedback especially that reminder, Andrew, I am incorporating some of your ideas into my color version. The tractor is just a bit too green, I agree. I had already used a LR mask (those tools are so much better than they once were) to brighten his face under that hat brim, but it may need a bit more brightening.
This is one of several scenic lakes we came across walking around Jichang Garden, Wuxi, about 90 minutes from Shanghai on a bullet train.
The right two thirds of the photo would be very appealing, if you didn't have this color toning applied. I think the image would benefit from cropping the left third off and going back to a more realistic color treatment. The colors in the warm bright patch are jarring to my eye and conflict with the rest of the image.
Classic Cars
Wonderful cars, well taken shots that maximize their beauty. I'd still enjoy creative versions of these beauties, but they are nicely done for documentary images.
@DanHasLeftForum has written:This is one of several scenic lakes we came across walking around Jichang Garden, Wuxi, about 90 minutes from Shanghai on a bullet train.
The right two thirds of the photo would be very appealing, if you didn't have this color toning applied. I think the image would benefit from cropping the left third off and going back to a more realistic color treatment. The colors in the warm bright patch are jarring to my eye and conflict with the rest of the image.
Thank you minniev. The original scene had very dull and flat lighting which didn’t really do much for me.
In the past I found that if I changed something to please someone it often upset someone else who liked the previous version.
Bur thank you for your thoughts.
@MikeFewster has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written: @MikeFewster has written: @DanHasLeftForum has written:I have no idea what flower this is but it looked nice.
Fuschias are rich coloured with a delicate hanging form. You have captured both aspects here. The curving long this line of the stalk is continued in the stamens beneath the petals and the curve of the bud nestles alongside the curve of the main flower. I like the space left below the flower. The "hanging" nature of the flowers is one of the attractions of fuschias and the space below the subject makes the point.
Without going into pixel peeping, I think the flower has probably been brightened a little. Perhaps, perhaps not. If so, it has been carefully so it doesn't distract by being immediately obvious.
Dof/bokeh carefully selected to lift the flowers from the background.Thank you but you never cease to amaze me regarding how much more you "read" into my images than I ever envisaged when I took the photo or during post processing.
Anyway, below is the original. It didn't really do much for me at the time because the flower didn't stand out enough for my liking and the scene lacked atmosphere and/or mood. The flower just blended too much into the background for me, hence the "artistic" version posted above.
I appreciate it when sometimes a photographer shows the original image. We get a window into the creative thinking that went into the final image. It's the difference between a snapshooter and a photographer.
I too enjoyed seeing both versions. Actually it made me appreciate your edited version even more, especially as you edited it in a way I almost certainly would not have tried. I may well have cropped the same way, but I would not have made the image more blue, and I think doing that has made the background seem darker and less inviting, allowing the flower to stand out more, even though it too has a blue cast. Nice touch.
Thank you Pete 😊