* Wednesday C&C "No Theme" Thread #849 / Revived #069 on 2024 07 24 *

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DanHasLeftForum
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July 25, 2024, 9:26 p.m. July 25, 2024, 9:26 p.m.
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@Kumsal has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Bryan has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

SAINT-OMER

This is the (wonderfully renovated) train station of Saint-Omer, a friendly and inviting small city in the north of France (région Pas-de-Calais).

It's an Iphone image from yesterday.
It had been drizzling a bit and there seems to have been a raindrop on the edge of the little lens.
But I don't care very much about that. This shot is not intended for eternity.

Certainly a capture to form the basis of correction discussions.
Am I correct that you took the photo from a low position? To get the lines of tiles in the pavement to appear to converge? I feel the keystoning would be less if taken from a standing position.
Either way I don't mind the image as it is because we still see the fascinating architecture of the buildings. Unfortunate about the rain drop on the lens but as you say, not a keeper.
With regard to the correction attempts, I wonder if, instead of removing all keystoning, a version that left some might be the happy medium?

I was not crouching.

But I did use the iphone’s wide angle lens to get all of the building (center and wings) in my shot.

I like that my (then revolutionary, now old) iphone 11 PRO has a “x0.5” wide angle and a ”x2” tele setting and lenses next to the “x1” main lens. That main lens is the best one (most resolution and best in low light). The other lenses allow me to use the phone for more adventurous shots. But specifically the wide angle lens has more distortion (keystone AND barrel) than a well-constructed REAL wide angle lens (like my beloved Oly 7-14 or 9-18 or 8-25 lenses) would have.

So the image was not taken from a low position but from closer than you might expect. There is a kiosk on the center of the station square so I could not get back any further and use the “normal” lens.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the center of the image is right under the clock which means camera has been tilted up. Therefore such a bad distortion in addition to the lens' native distortion. I wander if this image would be for a client, would it be accepted as is? 😀

Of course not.
But it wasn’t (intended for a client).
Believe it or not, but sometimes I shoot just for fun. 🤪

(More on vantage point:
Of course the shot was pointed up, because I was on ground level (the square) and I am slightly less tall than the building. Even if I raise my camera, I barely reach 2 meters.
For buildings, the ideal position is in another building, opposite the subject and on a floor halfway up. That is rare.
Another solution is more distance and a longer lens, but so much open space is rare too. Hence the use of tilt-shift lenses…)

Third solution is to shoot several images and stitch. Fourth solution is to correct distortion which was shown in this thread.
I always shoot for fun, except when I shoot real estate for my wife or daughter. I also shot images that were distorted because of the nowhere to back up. But I never left them uncorrected if I wanted to show them. YMMV.

There is no easy correction for this photo.
The photographer had no other choice, he was standing very close to the building.
A photo like this with prespective distortions can only be credibly corrected if you add a sufficient foreground during editing, i.e. AI.
Everything I have seen so far looks half-baked.

I disagree with your opinion as shown earlier.
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Kumsal
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July 25, 2024, 9:32 p.m. July 25, 2024, 9:32 p.m.
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@DanHasLeftForum has written:

@Kumsal has written:

@DanHasLeftForum has written:

LOOP THE LOOP

The color of the sky is wrong in this photo.
Based on the lighting conditions, the sky should have looked completely different.

Thank you Kumsal.

Posting an opinion that the sky appears wrong on your screen doesn’t really mean much unless you post a version that looks correct on your screen.

In any case the sky is very easy to alter in this scene so if anyone wanted the image for any reason they can alter it to whatever looks better to them.

The question is not what I see on my screen, I see the colors pretty correctly on my screen anyway.
The question is: what went wrong with a Photoshop artist that the color of the sky looks so unnatural.
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Kumsal
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July 25, 2024, 9:35 p.m. July 25, 2024, 9:35 p.m.
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@DanHasLeftForum has written:

@Kumsal has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Bryan has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

SAINT-OMER

This is the (wonderfully renovated) train station of Saint-Omer, a friendly and inviting small city in the north of France (région Pas-de-Calais).

It's an Iphone image from yesterday.
It had been drizzling a bit and there seems to have been a raindrop on the edge of the little lens.
But I don't care very much about that. This shot is not intended for eternity.

Certainly a capture to form the basis of correction discussions.
Am I correct that you took the photo from a low position? To get the lines of tiles in the pavement to appear to converge? I feel the keystoning would be less if taken from a standing position.
Either way I don't mind the image as it is because we still see the fascinating architecture of the buildings. Unfortunate about the rain drop on the lens but as you say, not a keeper.
With regard to the correction attempts, I wonder if, instead of removing all keystoning, a version that left some might be the happy medium?

I was not crouching.

But I did use the iphone’s wide angle lens to get all of the building (center and wings) in my shot.

I like that my (then revolutionary, now old) iphone 11 PRO has a “x0.5” wide angle and a ”x2” tele setting and lenses next to the “x1” main lens. That main lens is the best one (most resolution and best in low light). The other lenses allow me to use the phone for more adventurous shots. But specifically the wide angle lens has more distortion (keystone AND barrel) than a well-constructed REAL wide angle lens (like my beloved Oly 7-14 or 9-18 or 8-25 lenses) would have.

So the image was not taken from a low position but from closer than you might expect. There is a kiosk on the center of the station square so I could not get back any further and use the “normal” lens.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the center of the image is right under the clock which means camera has been tilted up. Therefore such a bad distortion in addition to the lens' native distortion. I wander if this image would be for a client, would it be accepted as is? 😀

Of course not.
But it wasn’t (intended for a client).
Believe it or not, but sometimes I shoot just for fun. 🤪

(More on vantage point:
Of course the shot was pointed up, because I was on ground level (the square) and I am slightly less tall than the building. Even if I raise my camera, I barely reach 2 meters.
For buildings, the ideal position is in another building, opposite the subject and on a floor halfway up. That is rare.
Another solution is more distance and a longer lens, but so much open space is rare too. Hence the use of tilt-shift lenses…)

Third solution is to shoot several images and stitch. Fourth solution is to correct distortion which was shown in this thread.
I always shoot for fun, except when I shoot real estate for my wife or daughter. I also shot images that were distorted because of the nowhere to back up. But I never left them uncorrected if I wanted to show them. YMMV.

There is no easy correction for this photo.
The photographer had no other choice, he was standing very close to the building.
A photo like this with prespective distortions can only be credibly corrected if you add a sufficient foreground during editing, i.e. AI.
Everything I have seen so far looks half-baked.

I disagree with your opinion as shown earlier.

I disagree with your opinion too.
What you showed is worse than the original.
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DanHasLeftForum
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July 25, 2024, 9:40 p.m. July 25, 2024, 9:40 p.m.
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@minniev has written:

@DanHasLeftForum has written:

LOOP THE LOOP

Really nice action image that has plenty of tension and excitement, bright colors and contrast. One of those photos that looks better if you don't enlarge it, as there's something a bit wonky going on with the edges around the subject if you pixel peep, making me wonder if the background has been altered (which I have no objection to - I love tinkering with images).

Thank you minniev.

I also noticed the "wonkiness" in the colours around the edges when I processed the raw files in this burst of images.

Maybe I'm wrong but I put it down to most likely being caused by a too slow shutter speed.

At 1/800s the second curtain of the shutter is following close behind the first curtain across the sensor allowing only a thin slither of light onto the sensor during the shutter actuation. Since the subject is moving very fast in the scene perhaps there is some sort of "double exposure" effect happening because the thin slither opening in the shutter is moving too slow across the sensor.

Below is an example from an earlier shot in the burst (100% crop). There is a clear reddish cast around the keel of the surfboard.

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Sagittarius
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July 25, 2024, 10:07 p.m. July 25, 2024, 10:07 p.m.
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@Kumsal has written:

@minniev has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

Time together

What a wonderful moment! I am of two minds about the resulting image. In one mind, I am bothered visually by the blurred hand of the baby. In my more creative mind, however, I am enchanted by the way his blurred hand encircles his mother's eye, and her bland expression about the whole affair. Lovely animal family.

minniev, I beg you!
There is no such family.
We don't always have to be so diplomatic.
My opinion: simply very bad photomontage.

This is not a composite. It is as was shot. The blurred hand is because little one was moving it.
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DanHasLeftForum
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July 25, 2024, 10:16 p.m. July 25, 2024, 10:16 p.m.
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@Kumsal has written:

I disagree with your opinion too.
What you showed is worse than the original.

We'll just have to disagree 🙂

It's clear that some other members also disagree with you and some might agree with you.
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DanHasLeftForum
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July 25, 2024, 10:36 p.m. July 25, 2024, 10:36 p.m.
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@Kumsal has written:

@DanHasLeftForum has written:

@Kumsal has written:

@DanHasLeftForum has written:

LOOP THE LOOP

The color of the sky is wrong in this photo.
Based on the lighting conditions, the sky should have looked completely different.

Thank you Kumsal.

Posting an opinion that the sky appears wrong on your screen doesn’t really mean much unless you post a version that looks correct on your screen.

In any case the sky is very easy to alter in this scene so if anyone wanted the image for any reason they can alter it to whatever looks better to them.

The question is not what I see on my screen, I see the colors pretty correctly on my screen anyway.
The question is: what went wrong with a Photoshop artist that the color of the sky looks so unnatural.

Thank you for your opinion but the sky looks natural on my screen.

Feel free to post a version where the sky looks natural on your screen.
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DanHasLeftForum
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July 25, 2024, 11:58 p.m. July 25, 2024, 11:58 p.m.
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@Kumsal has written:

@minniev has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

Time together

What a wonderful moment! I am of two minds about the resulting image. In one mind, I am bothered visually by the blurred hand of the baby. In my more creative mind, however, I am enchanted by the way his blurred hand encircles his mother's eye, and her bland expression about the whole affair. Lovely animal family.

minniev, I beg you!
There is no such family.
We don't always have to be so diplomatic.
My opinion: simply very bad photomontage.

I have no reason to believe your opinion that it is some kind of composite of multiple images is accurate.

Can you point out any artefacts or other aspects of the image that lead you to your opinion that it is some kind of montage or composite?

From my point of view opinions that do not have any information to support them carry very little weight.
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DanHasLeftForum
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July 26, 2024, 5 a.m. July 26, 2024, 5 a.m.
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@PeteS has written:

Kestrel and Prey

During Covid, and especially during lock-down, I couldn't really go anywhere, except within walking distance of home. However, the variation in the route was limited, so taking a camera was important to help break the monotony. I started dabbling in bird photography, and discovered it was fun, but more for the process itself and attempts to improve rather than the results themselves, which were awful initially.
I still look for birds whilst walking to this day, and although I now have better gear, it is still a challenge to get anything that is worth showing.
Anyway, here is a kestrel with a mouse I took earlier this week.

Pete

Very nice photo showing a part of nature's food chain. The colours of the kestrel and the background compliment each other very well.

I wonder what was going through the mouse's mind at that time 😀
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DanHasLeftForum
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July 26, 2024, 7:13 a.m. July 26, 2024, 7:13 a.m.
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@Kumsal has written:

Beer garden

Please do not edit this photo

Nice scene but has more punch when the shadows are lightened.
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Bryan
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July 26, 2024, 9:23 a.m. July 26, 2024, 9:23 a.m.
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@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Bryan has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

SAINT-OMER

This is the (wonderfully renovated) train station of Saint-Omer, a friendly and inviting small city in the north of France (région Pas-de-Calais).

It's an Iphone image from yesterday.
It had been drizzling a bit and there seems to have been a raindrop on the edge of the little lens.
But I don't care very much about that. This shot is not intended for eternity.

Certainly a capture to form the basis of correction discussions.
Am I correct that you took the photo from a low position? To get the lines of tiles in the pavement to appear to converge? I feel the keystoning would be less if taken from a standing position.
Either way I don't mind the image as it is because we still see the fascinating architecture of the buildings. Unfortunate about the rain drop on the lens but as you say, not a keeper.
With regard to the correction attempts, I wonder if, instead of removing all keystoning, a version that left some might be the happy medium?

I was not crouching.

But I did use the iphone’s wide angle lens to get all of the building (center and wings) in my shot.

I like that my (then revolutionary, now old) iphone 11 PRO has a “x0.5” wide angle and a ”x2” tele setting and lenses next to the “x1” main lens. That main lens is the best one (most resolution and best in low light). The other lenses allow me to use the phone for more adventurous shots. But specifically the wide angle lens has more distortion (keystone AND barrel) than a well-constructed REAL wide angle lens (like my beloved Oly 7-14 or 9-18 or 8-25 lenses) would have.

So the image was not taken from a low position but from closer than you might expect. There is a kiosk on the center of the station square so I could not get back any further and use the “normal” lens.

Thanks for putting me straight on that. Having never used a wide angle, I didn't twig that you were closer than I thought. Perspective...
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RoelHendrickx
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July 26, 2024, 10:13 a.m. July 26, 2024, 10:13 a.m.
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@Sagittarius has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

@Bryan has written:

@RoelHendrickx has written:

SAINT-OMER

This is the (wonderfully renovated) train station of Saint-Omer, a friendly and inviting small city in the north of France (région Pas-de-Calais).

It's an Iphone image from yesterday.
It had been drizzling a bit and there seems to have been a raindrop on the edge of the little lens.
But I don't care very much about that. This shot is not intended for eternity.

Certainly a capture to form the basis of correction discussions.
Am I correct that you took the photo from a low position? To get the lines of tiles in the pavement to appear to converge? I feel the keystoning would be less if taken from a standing position.
Either way I don't mind the image as it is because we still see the fascinating architecture of the buildings. Unfortunate about the rain drop on the lens but as you say, not a keeper.
With regard to the correction attempts, I wonder if, instead of removing all keystoning, a version that left some might be the happy medium?

I was not crouching.

But I did use the iphone’s wide angle lens to get all of the building (center and wings) in my shot.

I like that my (then revolutionary, now old) iphone 11 PRO has a “x0.5” wide angle and a ”x2” tele setting and lenses next to the “x1” main lens. That main lens is the best one (most resolution and best in low light). The other lenses allow me to use the phone for more adventurous shots. But specifically the wide angle lens has more distortion (keystone AND barrel) than a well-constructed REAL wide angle lens (like my beloved Oly 7-14 or 9-18 or 8-25 lenses) would have.

So the image was not taken from a low position but from closer than you might expect. There is a kiosk on the center of the station square so I could not get back any further and use the “normal” lens.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the center of the image is right under the clock which means camera has been tilted up. Therefore such a bad distortion in addition to the lens' native distortion. I wander if this image would be for a client, would it be accepted as is? 😀

Of course not.
But it wasn’t (intended for a client).
Believe it or not, but sometimes I shoot just for fun. 🤪

(More on vantage point:
Of course the shot was pointed up, because I was on ground level (the square) and I am slightly less tall than the building. Even if I raise my camera, I barely reach 2 meters.
For buildings, the ideal position is in another building, opposite the subject and on a floor halfway up. That is rare.
Another solution is more distance and a longer lens, but so much open space is rare too. Hence the use of tilt-shift lenses…)

Third solution is to shoot several images and stitch. Fourth solution is to correct distortion which was shown in this thread.
I always shoot for fun, except when I shoot real estate for my wife or daughter. I also shot images that were distorted because of the nowhere to back up. But I never left them uncorrected if I wanted to show them. YMMV.

I flaunt the distortion.
It is part of my style.
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RoelHendrickx
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July 26, 2024, 10:16 a.m. July 26, 2024, 10:16 a.m.
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@DanHasLeftForum has written:

@PeteS has written:

Kestrel and Prey

During Covid, and especially during lock-down, I couldn't really go anywhere, except within walking distance of home. However, the variation in the route was limited, so taking a camera was important to help break the monotony. I started dabbling in bird photography, and discovered it was fun, but more for the process itself and attempts to improve rather than the results themselves, which were awful initially.
I still look for birds whilst walking to this day, and although I now have better gear, it is still a challenge to get anything that is worth showing.
Anyway, here is a kestrel with a mouse I took earlier this week.

Pete

Very nice photo showing a part of nature's food chain. The colours of the kestrel and the background compliment each other very well.

I wonder what was going through the mouse's mind at that time 😀

I think it was a talon that went through his mind.🤪

Really great image: perfect angle on a superb action scene, well separated from the background.
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RoelHendrickx
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July 26, 2024, 10:19 a.m. July 26, 2024, 10:19 a.m.
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@DanHasLeftForum has written:

@Kumsal has written:

@minniev has written:

@Sagittarius has written:

Time together

What a wonderful moment! I am of two minds about the resulting image. In one mind, I am bothered visually by the blurred hand of the baby. In my more creative mind, however, I am enchanted by the way his blurred hand encircles his mother's eye, and her bland expression about the whole affair. Lovely animal family.

minniev, I beg you!
There is no such family.
We don't always have to be so diplomatic.
My opinion: simply very bad photomontage.

I have no reason to believe your opinion that it is some kind of composite of multiple images is accurate.

Can you point out any artefacts or other aspects of the image that lead you to your opinion that it is some kind of montage or composite?

From my point of view opinions that do not have any information to support them carry very little weight.

Without the polemics, I also don’t see why this would be a montage and I am curious why Kumsal would think it is.
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Bryan
Members 1320 posts

July 26, 2024, 10:29 a.m. July 26, 2024, 10:29 a.m.
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@minniev has written:

Wanna Fight?

This young blue heron sailed into a landing spot on the banks of the Pearl near an even younger one, and decided to practice his posturing. It is the blue heron version of flexing your muscles to show how tough and handsome you are, and offer to rough it up a bit if necessary to prove who's boss. It scares off the pacifists and is appealing to any ladies nearby.

Nice colour scheme depicting the last of golden hour. No dark shadows hiding detail here. Lots of muted tones together with an evening oily water surface reflecting other birds? A glance at his eye leaves no doubt about his purpose.
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Bryan
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July 26, 2024, 10:48 a.m. July 26, 2024, 10:48 a.m.
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@Rich42 has written:

Last Peach

The last peach from our tree this season. As usual, a small but delicious crop.

Sitting on a bench in the yard just before sunset. Its colors are great, but I love its funny shape.

Rich

I haven't seen a peach with that much colour for a long time. It shouts ripe and juicy. I do love Californian colours like in the table top and so many of your other scenes - bold but not too bright or garish.
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Bryan
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July 26, 2024, 11:40 a.m. July 26, 2024, 11:40 a.m.
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@Sagittarius has written:

Time together

A wonderful capture to ponder the expressions we might find in the subject's faces.
Happy, perky, maybe precocious youngster. Strong, dutiful, quiet, content mother...
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Bryan
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July 26, 2024, 11:57 a.m. July 26, 2024, 11:57 a.m.
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@PeteS has written:

Kestrel and Prey

During Covid, and especially during lock-down, I couldn't really go anywhere, except within walking distance of home. However, the variation in the route was limited, so taking a camera was important to help break the monotony. I started dabbling in bird photography, and discovered it was fun, but more for the process itself and attempts to improve rather than the results themselves, which were awful initially.
I still look for birds whilst walking to this day, and although I now have better gear, it is still a challenge to get anything that is worth showing.
Anyway, here is a kestrel with a mouse I took earlier this week.

Pete

Birds in flight are surely a challenge and even the best mention a low keeper rate. So pat yourself on your back for this one Pete.