• Members 4254 posts
    June 29, 2024, 11:30 p.m.

    What if the dynamic range of the screens differ or if the screen contrast settings are different or if the colour space the image is viewed in is different or if the screen brightness settings are significantly different?

    A given image will not necessarily render exactly the same on every screen for obvious reasons.

    Your histogram is only for one channel.

    Post the luminosity histogram.

    In any case blocked up pixels cannot be recovered just like blown highlights cannot be.

    Therefore your editing has created false details.

    Fwiw this is what I see on my screen when I look at the histogram and edit you posted. There is a lot of false looking purplish and greenish detail there which is not realistic at all.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/3a/b8/bFlf9N4HZqcNrVuzPCBV3XUvSDTQdAMrR2zLqp0qniGZPp0PxR3PAfj1xpNW5KB6/sybersitizensedi.jpg

    I still see some details in the black feathers in my version. Whether they are accurate or not I don't know.

    People can look at my image and decide for themselves how much, if any, detail they see.

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    JPG, 120.8 KB, uploaded by DanHasLeftForum on June 30, 2024.

  • Members 167 posts
    June 30, 2024, 12:01 a.m.

    The histogram doesn't care about those things. It represents only the pixel values.

    YoursLum.jpg

    MineLum.jpg

    Mine has emphasized the difference between hard black and not hard black - a difference that was basically indiscernible in yours by me and by other viewers who have posted opinions about it.

    I don't know either, but the changes I made make the viewing experience better for me.

    That's correct. When I look at your other photos in this thread (Ovens River, moon) I also see blocked blacks with little detail. Histograms of them would show that as well. So ... either you like that look, or you don't like it but your monitor is showing differences in a way that my monitor and some other monitors are not.

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    JPG, 205.8 KB, uploaded by sybersitizen on June 29, 2024.

    YoursLum.jpg

    JPG, 183.0 KB, uploaded by sybersitizen on June 29, 2024.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 30, 2024, 12:04 a.m.

    If you're happy with your edit and it soothes your eyes as you said that's fine.

    But I don't like the purplish and green false details I see in your edit on my screen as shown earlier.

    I am happy with the level of detail I can see in my version on my screen. I can't control how my images render on other people's screens.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 30, 2024, 12:07 a.m.

    So we are in agreement that a given image will not necessarily render exactly the same on every screen, which is what I said earlier.

  • Members 167 posts
    June 30, 2024, 12:20 a.m.

    I do not disagree with that. My inclusion of histograms was to quantify the actual difference in pixel values between your version and mine.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 30, 2024, 12:25 a.m.

    That's fine.

    As I said, if you are happy with your edit and it soothes your eyes as you said, I have no issue with that.

    I posted why I still prefer my original version.

  • June 30, 2024, 5:55 a.m.

    A fascinating photo!

    What are the strips of what looks like foil hanging down at the top?

    David

  • Members 1139 posts
    June 30, 2024, 7:56 a.m.

    First, the photo from Pete is really interesting. Such old, well cared for, steam trains are a joy to see. Even if they are grimy and uncomfortable by today's standards ;-)
    A visit to that area is also a great chance to taste the Darjeeling tea close to the source :-)
    As to David's question, I'm guessing the golden strips are there to freighten away the birds in the roof of the station, or perhaps just to decorate the area ?

  • Members 568 posts
    June 30, 2024, 8:26 p.m.

    I like this image Mike. The areas in question can be easily removed using a chromatic aberration correction. I realize from reading many many posts that this is a result of using Topaz and not camera induced chromatic aberration. Never the less the tool works well and can be used to get rid of the orange colour between the hair strands.
    Andrew
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    PNG, 1.6 MB, uploaded by 19andrew47 on June 30, 2024.

  • Members 425 posts
    June 30, 2024, 8:32 p.m.

    [quote="@MikeFewster"]
    EMU. Central Australia.

    At eye level with Emu and the backlighting helps make this photo different from what we usually see.
    I like it.

  • Members 425 posts
    June 30, 2024, 8:38 p.m.

    [quote="@minniev"]
    Icefields Highway (wish I was there now instead of here in 110 degree heat). One from the archives, so old it was taken with the venerable E30. I never did anything with the picture because there was a worrisome distraction I could not get rid of without making major alterations in the scene, but the sky and light were so dramatic I couldn't delete it. So yesterday I decided to see whether the new lightroom tools would salvage it, and this is the result. Still a few nits but I'm better satisfied with it.

    Magnificent landscape, very well photographed.
    Whatever was necessary to eliminate the disturbing elements is justified in this case.

  • Members 425 posts
    June 30, 2024, 8:53 p.m.

    [quote="@ChrisOly"]
    High density

    Massive residential development is happening in downtown Toronto recently.

    It's a loaded photo with a lot of architectural elements.
    But, it caught my attention to take a closer look at the photo.
    Well done!

  • Members 1802 posts
    June 30, 2024, 9:07 p.m.

    Good correction and good information - that the CA tools can solve other problems.

  • Members 1802 posts
    June 30, 2024, 9:10 p.m.

    Thanks, Kumsal, I feel the same way. I don't hesitate to use any tool available to solve a problem that can't be solved with the camera itself.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 30, 2024, 9:22 p.m.

    Imo an image creator removing disturbing elements is justifiable in every case unless the aim is to create a close as possible documentary version.

  • Members 1722 posts
    June 30, 2024, 9:56 p.m.

    Outstanding. One of those rare "breaks every rule in the book" images that finishes up being brilliant because it has broken all the rules. Composition lines running all over the place; eye attracting features and potential subject points that conflict with each other. And so on.
    Congrats Kumsal.

  • Members 1722 posts
    June 30, 2024, 10 p.m.

    Yes, that is a definite improvement. I'll adjust the original version I have.

  • Members 1722 posts
    June 30, 2024, 10:28 p.m.

    An extraordinary natural feature and a wonderful subject for a photographer.
    This is an interesting post. Generally with a series we look to see a story that requires the sequence to make the point. This group from Fireplace takes us into the head of the photographer. Fireplace gives us the thoughts and settings with each shot as he/she considers different angles and settings to capture the spirit of the location.
    Generally, I like moving water shots to either totally freeze the moment so we can study the intricacies or to have some blur to convey the movement. I don't like too much blur which reduces the movement to something that looks static. Here, Fireplace gets it about right to my eye and shares the thinking as the settings are chosen.
    I like the the last best. The portrait format, narrow contrasting gap and multitude of repeating lines of waterfall, are all reinforcing each other. We can feel the movement and the constriction.