• Members 893 posts
    June 23, 2024, 2:01 p.m.

    Agree.
    I’ll amend the boilerplate text for next week’s edition in order to welcome essays.

    I might also emphasize (even more) the desire to have polite discussions.
    Looking at this week’s thread, I notice that the conversation went downhill when it was not about images anymore but about semantic misconceptions about some harmless expressions.

    Not all of us are native speakers. Some linguistic tolerance would be nice. Especially when, in essence, it was crystalclear to any reasonable reader what the poster wanted to express and a discussion arose from a deliberately wrong reading of a use of pronouns (and “we” is 1st, not 3rd person plural, BTW)

    This is NOT a linguistic forum, but one about images. Picking fights about language or personal idiom is not cool.

  • Members 893 posts
    June 23, 2024, 2:04 p.m.

    Please get a life.
    You might enjoy it.

    WE wish YOU all the best.

    (And I think I can indeed speak for all of us here who are not into pedantic fight-picking.)

  • June 23, 2024, 2:05 p.m.

    I'm working on it. ATM, I'm doing it all by myself and I have a life to live. So, please give me time to respond properly. I agree - it's irrelevant and not necessary.

    Alan

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 24, 2024, 5:47 a.m.

    Very nice subject telling a powerful story.

    But looking at the luminosity histogram it confirms what I initially see in that contrast is low due to a lack of a well defined black point and a well defined white point. Consequently the image lacks "punch" on my screen. I like monochromes or sepias as well but they need to have "punch" for my liking.

    Fwiw below is an edited version of your image using a Levels Adjustment Layer to add contrast by defining clear black and white points. I then used a Dodge and Burn Layer (50% gray filled layer in overlay blend mode) to help add some punch especially to the hands, two prisoners and the scene overall.

    This version has much more "punch" on my screen.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/d4/28/FCRt9J38RCXxzzuuIGC2iJcfs6PxrYSooMs0pgh0btj2nkfhyUgGoosT8Dt0PJDE/civilrightsmuseu.jpg

    civilRightsMuseum_edited.jpg

    JPG, 238.0 KB, uploaded by DanHasLeftForum on June 24, 2024.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 24, 2024, 6:08 a.m.

    Amazing juxtaposition of different worlds!! Well seen and photographed 😊

    However it lacks a little "pop" on my screen and the bit beneath the railway platform is an annoying eye-magnet for me.

    Fwiw, this version adjusting the Levels, Brightness and Contrast with various shades of gray in the layer masks has more noticeable "pop" on my screen which helps to highlight the three different worlds in the scene.


    dprevived.com/media/attachments/5b/b0/mFLt5CELpSUb6quPFGqYnbB1M3g7zjvBkOb83HwoW7Kv1ZVV9VbnxKgyYrpDCsOB/differentworlds-.jpg

    differentWorlds_edited.jpg

    JPG, 401.9 KB, uploaded by DanHasLeftForum on June 24, 2024.

  • Members 893 posts
    June 24, 2024, 10:10 a.m.

    This is the kind of contribution that we like and cherish.
    And to be clear : with "we", I mean the people who have been active in this thread for many many years and who have come to expect meaningful peer-to-peer photographic C&C and editing/composition/cropping/shooting suggestions.

  • Members 893 posts
    June 24, 2024, 10:13 a.m.

    Your intervention makes it look like a newspaper print almost, and that is a good effect for this subject.
    Minnie's was "subtler", and made the two boys look almost the same shade of grey.
    Your version extends contrast to bring a bigger juxtaposition of dark and bright.
    That is, of course, perfectly fitting for the subject.
    After all, when it comes to civil rights (and the denial of them), black and white can (and should) be united.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 24, 2024, 10:49 a.m.

    Creating monochromes is obviously very subjective with a lot of flexibility for the final look.

  • Members 893 posts
    June 24, 2024, 11:25 a.m.

    Agree completely.
    There is a huge range in atmospheres that can be created within monochrome.
    As much as with colour.

    Minnie's was fine, but your version is more in line with my usual preference. (I usually also go for higher contrast if I convert to B&W)

  • Members 1802 posts
    June 24, 2024, 2:31 p.m.

    Roel & Danno - Thanks to both of you for your feedback on the processing. The high-contrast version is a good alternative, and I understand your preference for it. And I always appreciate anyone who takes the time to edit one of my photos to show me an alternative take.

    I'll take a little trip down memory lane to explain my choices. I was attempting to emulate a photograph rather than a newspaper print. I grew up in Mississippi in the 60s in a newspaper family so I cut my photography teeth on news photography of that era. Those jail cells had very dim lighting, usually a single hanging bulb in the hall outside the cell block. The few windows were high, small and deeply recessed. The only way you'd get a photo at all was to sneak your camera in as a visitor, with the kind of film you'd use at a high school football game, and leave the flash off. The result would be murky, with poor focus and limited DOF. If anyone were brave enough to publish it, it would be halftoned via a rotograving machine before being affixed to a wood block and locked into the flatbed letterpress amid type that was set in hot metal on a linotype and headlines set hot in a Ludlow. By the time I was 13 I could do all of it except the linotype and the press.

    Your ideas about increasing contrast have made me think of doing up a halftone in PS. That would produce a more contrasty but even less detailed version that looked something like a 1964 newspaper. By the early 70s, everyone was going offset, and the process and output changed. My most interesting photo collection is from our family's old Herald archives from the 60s. It's a window into life in small-town Mississippi during that very troubled era - the good, the bad and the ugly.

  • Members 893 posts
    June 24, 2024, 3:09 p.m.

    Having known Minnie for a while now, I was aware of her history.
    I am glad she shared some of it here.
    And I am impressed with her long history in (important) photography and journalism.
    Makes me feel young (good) and a total amateur (hmmm...).

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 25, 2024, 3:50 a.m.

    No problem and thank you for sharing your back story behind your image. I can certainly see now why you chose the final look you did and well done on that.

    Just to clarify, I wasn't aiming particularly for a newspaper style look in the edited version I posted. That was Roel's original interpretation of the style of my edited version.

    I too on a few occasions experiment with monochromes but as I mentioned in my original reply with my edited version my style for monochromes is to try to add "punch" and "pop" to appropriate extents for the image. Basically I generally try to use high contrast to highlight elements important to me in the scene.

  • Members 893 posts
    June 25, 2024, 1:28 p.m.

    Interesting discussion, thanks.

    And yes, when I say what a style of image-processing looks like, I am not trying to guess at the internal intentions of the image maker/processor.
    I am just expressing what impression it creates for ME.
    All C&C is subjective. It should be.
    Photography is art, not mathematics.

  • Members 1139 posts
    June 25, 2024, 1:31 p.m.

    Thanks Mike. Glad you liked the images :-)
    I finally got a chance to respond to this week's thread.
    The F stops I used for the first 3 shots with the viltrox lens are shown below the images in my original post, it was F7.1 for two of them and F8 for the other. I'll have to get used to opening it up more. It is a very wide angle lens so, of course, even with the lens wide open the DOF is already large and it is quite sharp. As you mentioned, often in such images I want foreground objects to be in focus too, but even so, I should venture toward a bit wider aperture with this lens :-) By theway, it is well built and resonably compact.

  • Members 1139 posts
    June 25, 2024, 1:42 p.m.

    It's interesting the see such scenes. Not really a clean and pleasent place, it's all broken down and doesn't look like it will be renovated any time soon. But your shot has picked out some colourful elements in these back streets

  • Members 1139 posts
    June 25, 2024, 1:44 p.m.

    A cool view with an apt title! +Interesting & well processed too!

  • Members 1139 posts
    June 25, 2024, 1:45 p.m.

    very pretty and colourful bird, well captured

  • Members 1722 posts
    June 25, 2024, 1:49 p.m.

    Inspired by your shots I did some follow up on the lens. Reviewers are impressed with the corners, even wide open or with just a little stopping down so you are probably right in thinking this lens can be opened up more. When you get around to it (now there's an excuse for another trip) I'll be most interested in the results.