• Members 2365 posts
    June 16, 2023, 10:44 p.m.

    thats "AN exposure" = image captured its not exposure (camera settings)

  • Members 273 posts
    June 16, 2023, 10:48 p.m.

    Exposure = Illuminance * Time (this is the definition of the term)

    Illuminance is controlled by F-stop (really T-stop) and scene illumination.

    Therefore, by definition, exposure is controlled by scene illumination, as well as by two other things.

    This is not open to debate. It's the definition of the term that most, if not all people agree upon.

    Adobe: "Exposure is the amount of light that reaches your camera’s sensor,..."
    Wikipedia: "In photography, exposure is the amount of light per unit area (the image plane's illuminance times the exposure time) reaching a frame of photographic film or the surface of an electronic image sensor, as determined by shutter speed, lens F-number, and scene luminance."
    Photographylife: "In photography, exposure is the amount of light which reaches your camera sensor or film."
    Masterclass: "Camera exposure is ... the amount of light that reaches the film or camera sensor when a picture is being taken."
    SLR Lounge: "Exposure is the amount of light a sensor (or piece of film) receives."

    And so on.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11 p.m.

    No-one is disputing iso sets the target exposure* to output the image lightness the camera is calibrated to for the iso setting.

    But iso can have no effect on exposure* at all in manual mode as long as highlights are not clipped. I have posted many examples where that is the case

    The meaning of amount of light and how to give it a value has been explained countless times in other threads by at least Bob and many others. I am sure you can find the posts if you need to refresh your memory.

    You are still running away from posting the definition of scene luminance and exposure as you used them in your thread title as you always do when you have backed yourself into a corner.

    You are using different definitions of those terms while trying to prop up the false statement in your thread title and so are continuing to go round in circles πŸ˜„

    * exposure - amount of light that struck the sensor per unit area while the shutter was open

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  • Members 273 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:07 p.m.

    You may be confusing exposure and exposure value.

  • Removed user
    June 16, 2023, 11:07 p.m.

    ISO affects ...

    Weird that this site and others talk about "ISO" as if it were a measurable variable complete with units of measure, placing it on a level with the almighty triumvirate of aperture f/number, scene luminance and integration time (shutter period).

    At the risk of boring y'all, on one of my cameras, ISO does nothing to the raw at all. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

  • Members 695 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:08 p.m.

    Did anyone suggest otherwise?

    With regards to total light, photons, or, equivalently, lumen seconds (luminous energy). With regards to exposure, photons/area, or, equivalently, lux seconds (luminous energy / area).

    So, now it all makes sense to you, right? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

    Let's take it down a notch -- more light, less noisy photos. But also, more light, greater amount/risk of blown highlights. Also, to get more light, we have to either use a wider aperture, resulting in a more shallow DOF, a longer exposure time, which increases the risk/amount of motion blur, and/or add in artificial light, which changes the lighting of the scene.

    Can't technology and/or software make up for less light? To an extent, yes. I mean, if you're well within the "operating envelope" of a system, then if you're off a stop from the "ideal exposure", it's not going to make that much of a difference. But when you're near the edges of the "operating envelope", being off a stop can be a big deal. So, the more you're near the extremes, the more important this stuff is.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:20 p.m.

    So you are saying that the word exposure in your thread title means the camera settings?

    In that case your thread title really means:

    Scene luminance has nothing to do with the camera settings

    in which case most people would probably agree, at least to some extent.

  • Members 2365 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:23 p.m.

    Your answer based on this image 😊

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    JPG, 10.1Β MB, uploaded by DonaldB on June 16, 2023.

  • Removed user
    June 16, 2023, 11:28 p.m.

    Your descent into abject rudeness means I win as I circle over the charred remains of your biplane ...

  • Members 2365 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:32 p.m.

    Yes, which my thread title is probably a little vague now looking at it πŸ˜‰

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:35 p.m.

    Yes, that is his normal MO when he has backed himself into a corner πŸ™‚

    As shown earlier, he has effectively admitted that his thread title really means

    Scene luminance has nothing to do with the camera settings

  • Removed user
    June 16, 2023, 11:43 p.m.

    ... a classic Straw Man attack, drawing attention away from the subject at hand (whatever that was).

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:43 p.m.

    In the future people will now know what you really mean when you use the word exposure in your posts.

    Mission accomplished πŸ™‚πŸ˜Ž

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  • Removed user
    June 16, 2023, 11:46 p.m.

    Mods, please delete or move any post or quote that has the stupid video of some guy eating popcorn ...

  • Members 2365 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:49 p.m.

    so now we have "exposure value" "an exposure" "exposure settings" so what is the correct photographic meaning for just exposure ?

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:51 p.m.

    Many people like the animated gifs they see in posts when they are aporopriate πŸ™‚

  • Members 2365 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:53 p.m.

    i agree i like the animated posts.

  • Members 4254 posts
    June 16, 2023, 11:56 p.m.

    Bob explained very clearly the correct photographic meaning for just "exposure" earlier in this very thread πŸ™‚

    He also explained the meaning of "exposure value".