• Members 549 posts
    May 20, 2023, 5:08 p.m.

    It is most definitely incorrect, technically, to conflate "relatively ISO-invariant" with "totally-ISO-irrelevant" or "ISO-less", but there are differences in opinion, based on individual experience, that cause people to draw the line at different points in the sand as to whether the difference is practically relevant. Jim and I probably see the underlying empirical facts in a similar way, but we have very different editorial comments on practice, resulting from our own different subject matter.

  • Members 549 posts
    May 20, 2023, 5:13 p.m.

    On the opposite extreme is a camera like the Nikon D5, which still has some of the lowest pre-gain read noise in the industry, but has about the worst post-gain read noise in the industry, with currently-produced cameras. The newer on-sensor column-ADC designs are somewhere in-between.

  • Members 1738 posts
    May 20, 2023, 5:14 p.m.

    And probably different opinions on what are acceptable amounts of image noise. Almost all the time, I call the image too noisy before the read noise begins to play a role in the visible noise.

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    May 20, 2023, 5:16 p.m.

    Yes, because Kodak was once arguably a "bureaucracy" in the World of Photography, probably long before I.S.O.

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    May 20, 2023, 5:16 p.m.
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    May 20, 2023, 5:16 p.m.

    And then there's QWERTY.

  • Members 549 posts
    May 20, 2023, 5:39 p.m.

    "Irrationally implemented" and "fake" are two different things, IMO.

  • Members 549 posts
    May 20, 2023, 6:28 p.m.

    The rule of forum efficiency goes something like this: make your posts 15% shorter by dropping relevant qualifying terms or conditionals to avoid seeming too meticulous, and suffer 5x as many posts from the resulting confusion.

  • Removed user
    May 20, 2023, 6:37 p.m.

    ... and to never capitalize stuff like "imo" because it makes sentences wider and less abstruse ..

    ... (distant whine) ... "but im on my smartphone" 😋

  • Members 976 posts
    May 20, 2023, 6:40 p.m.

    G.W. Whistler used 5', that was 1524 mm, establishing a new bureaucracy ;)

  • May 20, 2023, 8:25 p.m.

    I have the same problem with my Canon EOS R6. The cut off point on the Y axis is too high (i.e. the number of blown pixels that is deemed to be insignificant), and in certain situations I get blown highlights that are not shown on a histogram, even at "exposure compensation" of -2EV.

    David

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    May 20, 2023, 8:54 p.m.
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    May 20, 2023, 8:57 p.m.

    Accordingly enough to know when the raw clipping hits? Same as with the other cameras? With all camera models I've checked, dozens of them, it was never the case ;)

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 20, 2023, 9:05 p.m.

    yep. its so accurate i only have to take 1 image, i havnt once taken several images with different exposures and chosen the correct image. the only problem is in real world use you cant see the rear lcd image very well in the sun let alone the histogram ends i would have to put my close up reading glasses on.

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    May 20, 2023, 9:09 p.m.
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    May 20, 2023, 9:21 p.m.
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  • May 20, 2023, 9:26 p.m.

    Unfortunately not accurate. A better account here;
    garethdennis.medium.com/the-not-so-glamourous-origins-of-standard-track-gauge-2b5f1ae7e3bc

    It was actually George Stephenson (hence 'Stephenson gauge') being an engineer and solving the problem he had at the time.