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Raw histogram and why does it matter

DonaldB
April 13, 2023
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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 2:10 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:10 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy compressed files are not even close to raw. It's either lossy, or raw.

    Your program opens them so they must be raw and so does ACR

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    IliahBorg
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    April 16, 2023, 2:12 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:12 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy compressed files are not even close to raw. It's either lossy, or raw.

    Your program opens them so they must be raw and so does ACR

    "RAW files are image files that contain uncompressed and unprocessed image data, allowing you to capture practically every detail seen from the camera image sensor." -- www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00024655

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 2:13 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:13 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    tell that to sony

    I don't talk to marketing.

    your program shows no flaws in them neither when it does in compressed ,can you explain this. i can post a link of a file if you like ?

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    DanHasLeftForum
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    April 16, 2023, 2:13 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:13 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy compressed files are not even close to raw. It's either lossy, or raw.

    Your program opens them so they must be raw and so does ACR

    That's pretty dumb logic because ACR also opens jpeg files, so if your logic applies to all situations then jpeg files must also be raw files.

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    TechTalk
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    April 16, 2023, 2:16 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:16 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
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    The raw image file doesn't "look" like anything (except strings of code) until it's been processed into a viewable image.

    Neither does JPEG, or even TIFF.

    Naturally. When those are displayed they generally are not claimed to be "raw" as opposed to processed images, as was the case in the post to which I replied which compared one image as "processed" to another image labeled as "raw".

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    IliahBorg
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    April 16, 2023, 2:16 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:16 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    your program shows no flaws in them

    RawDigger shows that lossy compressed is, wait for it, lossy.

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 2:17 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:17 a.m.
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    @DannoB has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy compressed files are not even close to raw. It's either lossy, or raw.

    Your program opens them so they must be raw and so does ACR

    That's pretty dumb logic because ACR also opens jpeg files, so if your logic applies to all situations then jpeg files must also be raw files.

    ah drrrrrrrrrrr..... automatically 🙄

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 2:19 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:19 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    your program shows no flaws in them

    RawDigger shows that lossy compressed is, wait for it, lossy.

    wait for it your quote : Lossy compressed files are not even close to raw. It's either lossy, or raw.

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    ErikWithaK
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    April 16, 2023, 2:21 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:21 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
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    The raw image file doesn't "look" like anything (except strings of code) until it's been processed into a viewable image.

    Neither does JPEG, or even TIFF.

    Yeah, but those are indeed ”image” files. A RAW file is fundamentally different and that’s clearly the point (an important one) that some people are trying to make - that, unlike a jpeg, if an image from a raw file looks a particular way in your editor, it is the processing applied by the that editor that is primarily responsible. The RAW file itself really only represents a potential image to be. Seems like a distinction that shouldn’t just be swept under the rug.

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 2:25 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:25 a.m.
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    @ErikWithaK has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @TechTalk has written:

    The raw image file doesn't "look" like anything (except strings of code) until it's been processed into a viewable image.

    Neither does JPEG, or even TIFF.

    Yeah, but those are indeed ”image” files. A RAW file is fundamentally different and that’s clearly the point (an important one) that some people are trying to make - that if an image from a raw file looks a particular way in your editor, it is the processing applied by the editor that is primarily responsible as the RAW file itself really only represents a potential image to be.

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    JohnVickers
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    April 16, 2023, 2:38 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:38 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

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    Interesting that many were able to see the problems with lossy and forced Sony to add lossless compression.

    TBF, it does depend on the image how apparent the problems are.

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 2:57 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:57 a.m.
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    Im excited the penny has dropped. but im sorry for all those that it hasnt yet , im going to leave you all in limbo until you can figure it out for yourself 😁😁

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    DanHasLeftForum
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    April 16, 2023, 2:59 a.m. April 16, 2023, 2:59 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    Im excited the penny has dropped.

    Well, I'm happy to see you finally see the potential benefits raw histograms can provide. Your own histograms show that.

    Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to learn how to use the post editor properly and fix your stuff ups.

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 3 a.m. April 16, 2023, 3 a.m.
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    [quote="@DonaldB"]

    i could have explained this in 1 sentence 🙄🙄

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 3:06 a.m. April 16, 2023, 3:06 a.m.
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    @DannoB has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Im excited the penny has dropped.

    Well, I'm happy to see you finally see the potential benefits raw histograms can provide. Your own histograms show that.

    i used to hate teachers that said it is what it is without an explanation. "define potential"

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 3:15 a.m. April 16, 2023, 3:15 a.m.
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    a lolly pop to the first person that can show how the histogram is related to the image i posted. in 1 sentence, and how they arrived at there conclusion.

    i will drop a hint. open many images . mine was easy with opening only 2 . this one and the other one. and i didnt move the EV0 point.

    may the best person win 😎

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    DonaldB
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    April 16, 2023, 3:19 a.m. April 16, 2023, 3:19 a.m.
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    @DannoB has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Im excited the penny has dropped.

    Well, I'm happy to see you finally see the potential benefits raw histograms can provide. Your own histograms show that.

    Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to learn how to use the post editor properly and fix your stuff ups.

    screenshot.jpg

    i tried and made it even worst 😁🙄🤨

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    TechTalk
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    April 16, 2023, 3:25 a.m. April 16, 2023, 3:25 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    tell that to sony

    I don't talk to marketing.

    Couldn't hurt. They're just people like everyone else.

    It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. — William L. Watkinson

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