It occurred to me that photography might die soon.

I just came across an article that feels relevant to the discussion going on here. Check the first topic.
theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

I think a similar point is being made to what I suggested in my first post to this thread. I can imagine a growing market for images that are handmade with the traditional analog processes. Photography done this way can have provenance and I think this will give it value and its own corner.

Of course, all the digital and AI image making will continue to advance while the world argues about whether it is photography or not.

This is what I'm talking about -- take a look at the original photo:

www.reddit.com/r/PhotoshopRequest/comments/1k5f2vp/can_anyone_make_this_clearer_will_tip_my_wife_at/

and take a look at this edit:

www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fcan-anyone-make-this-clearer-will-tip-my-wife-at-34-v0-jwcoa8toxfwe1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D9216%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4b860076fbe273871a72eba413afd2574467a5ef

I mean, sheesh! The smartphone will do everything today's best cameras can do, and then some.

This is a pretty amazing reconstruction. Topaz has been doing this sort of thing in a lesser way for some time, but this seems to be much better.

Just think what AI will be able to do in 5 more years, much less 10!

AI will never be able to "think"

robotic machines have not taken over industry and havent for 40 years, a human can still run rings around robotic machines. in fact excel back in the 80s when i was working for apple was better than the current excel i have on my windows 11pc, we have gone backwards. the only difference is things look pretty to day. i used to design MRP systems that could store/process/ recover 1 million transactions from 10 different file systems on a 20 meg hard drive at lightning speeds. are we doing that today 🤔

Given who the Americans voted for, I should think that AI working differently than the human brain would be a plus, to tell the truth. 😟

That aside, the AI-aided reconstruction of the photo of the person's wife I posted above tells me that if "realistic" photography is your goal, then a smartphone will soon be able to do what the best cameras available today can do. If creative photography is your goal, then AI will offer significant tools to allow your creativity to do far more than it could before.

what happened to her hand ?

AI couldnt guess she was holding a dive mask.

With proper training, an advanced AI can do anything you can imagine and much more. As has already been demonstrated in various fields, AI finds solutions that people never even realize could exist.

For example, an AI can be asked to simulate any perspective distortion produced by any lens ever put on the market, and it can be asked to adjust any image according to the users' wishes. The only real problems are the cost and usefulness of such investments.😀

"Reasoning and Logic:

Advanced (AI) models can perform logical reasoning, solve riddles, or answer questions requiring multi-step reasoning, despite no explicit focus on these tasks during training."
Emergent Behavior in Generative AI

Not yet. Five years, ten on the outside. And it will be a lot more able than just that. A good way to think about it is self driving cars. Once the reliability of the system results in fewer accidents overall than human drivers, it is the better solution. Yes, AI will always fail from time to time, but on the whole, it will do significantly better than humans can do.

So, sure, for this photo or that photo, someone may still be able to do the better job processing than AI. But AI will do better than even the best of them most of the time, and certainly better than the rest of us pretty much all the time. For example:

deepmind.google/discover/blog/ai-solves-imo-problems-at-silver-medal-level/

And that's now -- AI is outperforming elite mathematicians more often than not. So, whether you like it or not, Don, it's coming. Yes, it will be humans for the win every now and then, but it will only be every now and then. What people will do in response is change the definition of "the win". Photography will likely continue the same as it's been going with regards to photos taken with smartphones (the superior AI will be seen as an advancement as opposed to revolution, as current smartphone photos are already more than "good enough" for most people most of the time) and for the "purist" crowd, it may be back to film, or, at the very least, OOC jpgs for "authenticity", and then we'll be seeing debates galore about which camera has the best OOC jpg engine, only to find that the "best" one is AI powered. : )

Thinking's over-rated. Just ask Humans.
They are hard-wired to fill gaps, see things that aren't there, and make decisions not based on ALL the facts.
It's got us to where we are. Research proves it, our brains cut corners.
Now those same brains are being asked to make a judgement call on, when is near enough, good enough; for a technology that very soon will be making decisions based on massive amounts more data than we use ourselves.
So which will be more desirable; "human" or "better than human" ?
We ARE going to be left behind and those who currently have "control" WILL lose it , probably in some hilarious twist so beloved by science fiction writers.
Asimov's three rules for robots are long forgotten, just look at the Ukraine.
Point is, our brains can't visualise what's next, so, one game at a time, boys, one game at a time.
Time for a peat drink, methinks.

my daughter just started her second degree to become a natropath, she is a science/biology/pys ed teacher atm. her first week back she took on the whole class and the lecturer on the cons of AI in the classroom. the class didnt have a chance, the lecturer said to her after the class he had never seen anyone do anything like that in the past, she has an amazing mind for a 22 yo, she said she did it because she can 🫣🤨 you must remember humans also get better as the generations pass. other wise we would still be in caves. when we can build a flying eating self fueled insect 2mm in size i will agree with you 😁

oof camera jpegs are at there best now, last year i put up a chalenge to the sony forum as to who could process a better quality image from a raw file than that of camera jpeg. camera jpeg won ,untill i posted the jpeg image so everyone could compare there raw edits to it and make critical changes.

AI is much better than me at searching through loads of sites, reading all the results and trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of the AI hype, like any other hype. Current AI has clear areas of weakness and who knows whether they will become worse eg when AI gets trained on AI produced datasets ('slop', I think they call it). But there is a long tradition of people saying 'never' about new technologies and ending up with egg on their face...

absolutly, but as my daughter says ,theres also a lot of incorrect infomation in there as well, and when studying health you cant afford misinformation, she has been given her password for medical professionals to access all the resurch papers and said AI is no where near the acuracy of resurch papers, for critical decissions regarding health they have to make jugement for them selves.