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Why Don't Camera's Have Raw Histograms?

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May 18, 2023
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    JimKasson
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    May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    Really strange combing in that histogram.

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    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688likn.png

    PNG, 157.6 KB, uploaded by JimKasson on May 28, 2023.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:52 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped

    It helps even more when it's raw (lossless).

    no it doesnt.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 9:54 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:54 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    Really strange combing in that histogram.

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688likn.png

    now show us all the related histogram that a 8 bit monitor would display. and then another of a print printed with 10 colours.

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    JimKasson
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    May 28, 2023, 9:57 p.m. May 28, 2023, 9:57 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped. just for others the raw is left
    jim comparrision.JPG

    You are comparing images of different resolutions.

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped

    It helps even more when it's raw (lossless).

    no it doesnt.

    Sure you can prove it, using that "best raw converter", as you call it.
    Lossy raw is full of artifacts, look in RawDigger.
    Not to mention this:
    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 17-59-53.png

    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 17-59-53.png

    PNG, 740.1 KB, uploaded by IliahBorg on May 28, 2023.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10 p.m.
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    @TonyBeach has written:

    For me the "mistake" is shooting JPEG. If the OOC JPEG is sufficient for your purposes, good for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.

    walking backwards are we.

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10:02 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:02 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    the related histogram that a 8 bit monitor would display

    Raw converter and image editor work from data, GIGO.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:03 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:03 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then, is that to much to ask ? show everyone the artefacts viewed at 300% which is a 20 foot print.

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10:12 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:12 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:23 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:23 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    Raw link. have fun processing.

    1drv.ms/i/s!ArStsPjQ301PmVRlBdd9pUNK8lCg?e=UTDps5

    About a stop underexposed form ETTR.

    A7M01564-Full-7028x4688.png

    FRV says 0.3 of a stop

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:24 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:24 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

    you posted the embedded jpeg from sony program. you may have well just reposted my jpeg.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:28 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:28 p.m.
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    @JimKasson has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    nice detail raw really helped. just for others the raw is left
    jim comparrision.JPG

    You are comparing images of different resolutions.

    thats what you entered into the competition and thats what was judged, you came 2nd 😁

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10:29 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:29 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

    you posted the embedded jpeg from sony program. you may have well just reposted my jpeg.

    I never used a "sony program" to post an embedded JPEG.
    I used Sony IEDT to post a full raw conversion, a TIFF.
    Sorry you can't concentrate.

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:33 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:33 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Lossy raw is full of artifacts

    well post a full res converted raw then

    I did, actually.
    Do yourself a favour, learn to make proper A/B comparisons?

    you posted the embedded jpeg from sony program. you may have well just reposted my jpeg.

    I never used a "sony program" to post an embedded JPEG.
    I used Sony IEDT to post a full raw conversion, a TIFF.
    Sorry you can't concentrate.

    "im not real smart but i can lift heavy fings" 😉i have no idea how to extract embedded files . can you do it in ACR ?

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    TonyBeach
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    May 28, 2023, 10:35 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:35 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @TonyBeach has written:

    For me the "mistake" is shooting JPEG. If the OOC JPEG is sufficient for your purposes, good for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone.

    walking backwards are we.

    Is that a question? If so, and your persistent failure to use proper punctuation makes it a legitimate question here, then the answer is no. I'm holding you accountable for what you are writing in this thread, not some thread in a distant past. What's more, I'm bringing the discussion back to the original topic while you are trying to derail it with your silly argument over why we shouldn't need a Raw histogram because we don't really even need Raw files to begin with. You clearly have a tactic in your exchanges with me in this thread to divert attention away from your unsupportable positions, that being to ignore or otherwise not directly respond to replies that apparently embarrass you (e.g., the simple conversion I did of your parrot photo that I think showed clearly that the OOC JPEG was far from optimal, my comments about your curious choices for said parrot photo, and your failure here to address the question of ETTR as it relates to OOC JPEGs).

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10:35 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:35 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    FRV says 0.3 of a stop

    Nope
    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 18-34-17.png

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    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 18-34-32.png

    PNG, 1.9 MB, uploaded by IliahBorg on May 28, 2023.

    Screenshot from 2023-05-28 18-34-17.png

    PNG, 1.9 MB, uploaded by IliahBorg on May 28, 2023.

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    IliahBorg
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    May 28, 2023, 10:36 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:36 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    i have no idea how to extract embedded files

    Free
    www.fastrawviewer.com/RawPreviewExtractor

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    DonaldB
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    May 28, 2023, 10:37 p.m. May 28, 2023, 10:37 p.m.
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    I should really go out and shoot some actual photos. but im looking after my 86yo mother and havnt a lot of time, but these threads are filling in some time while she sleeps. again lots of fun and solid debates.

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