I agree. I initially took the original post to be a wind-up, Despite that all the responses were emphatic but totally civilised, yet the responders are being accused of "bullying." It all sounds like a certain moribund gear site that comes to mind . . .
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It seems fair to say Nikon is in the lead with mirrorless telephoto lens designs overall, with Canon in second place and Sony trailing.
It seems fair to say Nikon by opening up the lens protocol has made available a wider range of lenses below top performing exotics than Canon.
The 10th May event should clarify the Nikon Z8 specification - with the possibility of Nikon nosing ahead of Canon and Sony equivalence.
Even so with any system what happens behind the viewfinder is usually significantly more important than the equipment being used.
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Z9, R8, A7S. Pick one. Which camera is in last place?
It would help if you correctly categorized cameras. As I've written, A1, R3, Z9 is a tight race, and there is no "wrong" choice. Having used them all, I prefer the Z9 except for one thing (which has now been solved by a third party).
Beyond that top level, it gets more difficult to categorize cameras, though I suspect the R5 and Z8 will end up being easily compared, and I don't think that comparison will end with the R5 "winning".
Unless you decide to buy new top-end cameras every year, you're going to find whatever you buy isn't always at the top of the heap.
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but the mere point that 3 years old camera with FSI , non stacked , 90mp readout sensor will be compared with Z8 says volumes about Canon ( positively ) - "winning" or not
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What was that and how is it solved?
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It helps if you actually read posts beyond the first few words. I'll break it down in simpler terms for you:
A1 many money, 50 MP
R5 less money, 45 MP
Z7ii much less money, 45 MPZ7ii AF very very good at track mountain
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It's helps if you actually answer the question as it was asked.
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The Z8 seems to be an honest response to the people saying 'I want a Z9 but it's too big'. Unfortunately, I suspect that what they were actually thinking was 'and I want it at 2/3 the price'. It the rumoured price of $5k is correct, then that's about right for the extra that the Z9 offers. Nikon will still need a Z6III to compete with the R6 II and a Z7 III to compere with the A7R V. They'll both be very different to the Z8.
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Agreed, 100%.
But I'm leaning towards thinking they should use this unique moment in time to drop a "Mini Z9" at a low price in the sole interest of gaining market share.
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www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/finally-a-prayer-answered.html
not sure why play a nun and not refer to own site, it is not like local powers will be banning ...
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I am ready to accept it for free - Nikon, I promise then to buy few lenses !!!
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not to mention that they also need to plan ahead to compete with what is coming within a year or so ( A1M2, A9M3, R1, R5M2, etc) , not playing catch up what released a year+ ago ... but they might as well do not want to compete - why shall they ?! cameras first got decimated by smartphones, now they will by AI - market is shrinking ...
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You asked us to pick a camera, and I gave a reasonable metric for picking cameras that the Z7ii does best at. Should I have assumed alphabetical order instead? If you want people to agree with you on what camera is best, you need to actually specify how you're measuring "best" - as Thom pointed out in the second sentence of the post you were replying to...
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Thanks XRay for supporting my initial post that started this thread. I guess it was a very legitimate question (98 posts later). Even @thom chimed in on it. Some folks are too quick to react and point fingers, you on the other hand kept your cool and look what an interesting discussion transpired.
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Nikon designed and marketed the Z7 as the mirrorless version of the D850.
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I do not recall that.
I recall Nikon saying the Z7 (which I bought at launch in addition to my D850) was the most compact high resolution body they could make.
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No problem. I'm a diehard Nikon guy, but I'm never going to defend them from legitimate criticism. The only way Nikon will do better is if we demand it. That means publicly pointing out their shortcomings and voting with our dollars.
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Great. You're welcome to your opinion. I disagree. My opinion, and the opinion of many others, is that it's NOT an equivalent to the D850.
And the beauty of this site is that you don't get to have your mod buddies delete our posts and cancel us when we disagree with you. It's going to be a very different experience for you over here, Leonard.
