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"The proper exposure"

IliahBorg
May 31, 2023
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    DonaldB
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    June 2, 2023, 10:17 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:17 p.m.
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    @bobn2 has written:
    @TomAxford has written:
    @bobn2 has written:

    Another? That's the original.

    Indeed, but today it is less commonly used by photographers than the corrupted meanings. Colloquial meanings are often not the 'proper' scientific meanings.

    I would say usually. However, even though we all misuse words sometimes, we shouldn't object to being corrected when the misuse causes miscommunication.

    in the 70s Pentax used the word "exposition" because other variables (light , film speed) were used to set the cameras exposure.

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 10:22 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:22 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @BillFerris has written:

    representation of a scene

    lets change replicate to "closest representation" of the scene. is = "proper exposure."

    No such thing as "closest representation" without an acceptable metric of closeness.

    when photographing museum peices, what word/words do you discribe your process/ final images ?

    The customers are interested in compliance with FADGI / Metamorfoze:
    www.digitizationguidelines.gov/guidelines/FADGI%20Technical%20Guidelines%20for%20Digitizing%20Cultural%20Heritage%20Materials_3rd%20Edition_05092023.pdf
    www.metamorfoze.nl/sites/default/files/documents/Metamorfoze_Preservation_Imaging_Guidelines_1.0.pdf

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    Ghundred
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    June 2, 2023, 10:24 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:24 p.m.
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    @BillFerris has written:
    @Ghundred has written:

    Proper exposure is the one you're happy with. Chances are, someone else would choose something different. But as long as the person taking the photo is happy with it, that's all that matters. You can't please all the people all the time, so best just please yourself.

    What makes the exposure acceptable? What makes the exposure pleasing?

    While the standards of one photograher are often at least a bit different from the standards of another, it's often the case that a group of people share many of the same standards in common.

    This can be illustrated by a shared respect for traffic laws. I'm not talking about strict adherence to those laws but the common practice in many communities of drivers being observant enough that avoidable accidents are kept to a minimum.

    In the same vein, the photographic community may not universally agree on a precise list of standards that determine a "proper exposure," but people share enough in common that a productive discussion of those qualities can be had.

    I'm not arguing against any of that. You're free to do whatever you like in the creation of your images, follow along with the crowd, and follow all the rules. However, (my own personal opinion here) this tends to produce the most technically correct, yet boring images. To me. So much so, that I nearly throw up when I see yet. another HDR, long exposure sunrise or sunset seascape, for example. I don't shoot to please others, I do it for my own enjoyment. Highlight and shadow clipping be damned. The best thing I ever did for my own photography enjoyment, was turn off the highlight and shadow warnings in whatever raw converter I use. Sure, the technicians will squeal about lost detail and information, excess noise or whatever rocks their own boat, but I'd rather what pleases my eye. Not the rule book

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 10:31 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:31 p.m.
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    @Ghundred has written:

    Sure, the technicians will squeal about lost detail and information, excess noise or whatever rocks their own boat, but I'd rather what pleases my eye.

    Why the technicians will squeal? They will just print whatever you submitted and take your money.

    Maintaining technically correct or pleasing - but one can do both.

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    Ghundred
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    June 2, 2023, 10:36 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:36 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @Ghundred has written:

    Sure, the technicians will squeal about lost detail and information, excess noise or whatever rocks their own boat, but I'd rather what pleases my eye.

    Why the technicians will squeal? They will just print whatever you submitted and take your money.

    Maintaining technically correct or pleasing - but one can do both.

    I was referring to the interwebz forum technicians.

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    DonaldB
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    June 2, 2023, 10:42 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:42 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:
    @BillFerris has written:

    representation of a scene

    lets change replicate to "closest representation" of the scene. is = "proper exposure."

    No such thing as "closest representation" without an acceptable metric of closeness.

    when photographing museum peices, what word/words do you discribe your process/ final images ?

    The customers are interested in compliance with FADGI / Metamorfoze:
    www.digitizationguidelines.gov/guidelines/FADGI%20Technical%20Guidelines%20for%20Digitizing%20Cultural%20Heritage%20Materials_3rd%20Edition_05092023.pdf
    www.metamorfoze.nl/sites/default/files/documents/Metamorfoze_Preservation_Imaging_Guidelines_1.0.pdf

    awesome thanks for the link. Quotes: “Reasonable Reproduction” without enhancement. or even "Faithfull Reproduction"

    you must have a lot of fun shooting this genre.

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 10:43 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:43 p.m.
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    @Ghundred has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @Ghundred has written:

    Sure, the technicians will squeal about lost detail and information, excess noise or whatever rocks their own boat, but I'd rather what pleases my eye.

    Why the technicians will squeal? They will just print whatever you submitted and take your money.

    Maintaining technically correct or pleasing - but one can do both.

    I was referring to the interwebz forum technicians.

    Ah. You are probably a bit irritated and referring to something that doesn't exist.
    Technicians know their trade. When they say something we better listen.

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 10:46 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:46 p.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:

    “Reasonable Reproduction” without enhancement. or even "Faithfull Reproduction"

    Yes, based on accepted criteria and metric.

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    DonaldB
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    June 2, 2023, 10:59 p.m. June 2, 2023, 10:59 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @DonaldB has written:

    “Reasonable Reproduction” without enhancement. or even "Faithfull Reproduction"

    Yes, based on accepted criteria and metric.

    everyone should read the second link you posted. awesome information. Not going to quote any of it. let everyone interested
    in this topic bring there knowledge up to speed and then sit back with the popcorn 😁
    this link needs its own thread started 😎
    www.metamorfoze.nl/sites/default/files/documents/Metamorfoze_Preservation_Imaging_Guidelines_1.0.pdf

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    Ghundred
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    June 2, 2023, 11:02 p.m. June 2, 2023, 11:02 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

    Ah. You are probably a bit irritated

    Not irritated, more amused.

    Some examples. I was out riding my mountain bike, and snapped these. I like them. Posted on a forum, and all the technicians could do was grizzle about the blown highlights.
    creek trestles.jpgbumpy.jpg

    Look at the crushed up blacks and lack of shadow detail in these.
    28611909632.jpgblack & blue.jpgdogrocks.jpg

    How about the excessive motion blur displayed here?
    soundwave.jpgP1100502220422.jpg

    That's abysmal photography according to the technicians

    P1100502220422.jpg

    JPG, 1.0 MB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

    soundwave.jpg

    JPG, 1.8 MB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

    dogrocks.jpg

    JPG, 1.3 MB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

    black & blue.jpg

    JPG, 749.4 KB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

    28611909632.jpg

    JPG, 1.4 MB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

    bumpy.jpg

    JPG, 3.3 MB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

    creek trestles.jpg

    JPG, 3.1 MB, uploaded by Ghundred on June 2, 2023.

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 11:07 p.m. June 2, 2023, 11:07 p.m.
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    @Ghundred has written:

    all the technicians

    I don't understand whom are you referring to.

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    Ghundred
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    June 2, 2023, 11:13 p.m. June 2, 2023, 11:13 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @Ghundred has written:

    all the technicians

    I don't understand whom are you referring to.

    All the self appointed interwebz forum technicians that delight in pointing out all the technical deficiencies inherent in the work of the uneducated

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 11:28 p.m. June 2, 2023, 11:28 p.m.
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    @Ghundred has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:
    @Ghundred has written:

    all the technicians

    I don't understand whom are you referring to.

    All the self appointed interwebz forum technicians that delight in pointing out all the technical deficiencies inherent in the work of the uneducated

    Without knowing what are their comments, I can't have an opinion.
    In my experience very few take any delight in pointing out deficiencies. Mostly, deficiencies are pointed out in an attempt to help.

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    Ghundred
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    June 2, 2023, 11:30 p.m. June 2, 2023, 11:30 p.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:

    Without knowing what are their comments, I can't have an opinion.
    In my experience very few take any delight in pointing out deficiencies. Mostly, deficiencies are pointed out in an attempt to help.

    You keep telling yourself that :)

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    IliahBorg
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    June 2, 2023, 11:33 p.m. June 2, 2023, 11:33 p.m.
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    @Ghundred has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Without knowing what are their comments, I can't have an opinion.
    In my experience very few take any delight in pointing out deficiencies. Mostly, deficiencies are pointed out in an attempt to help.

    You keep telling yourself that :)

    I see that you disagree. Well, matter of attitude, maybe.

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    Ghundred
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    June 3, 2023, 12:22 a.m. June 3, 2023, 12:22 a.m.
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    @IliahBorg has written:
    @Ghundred has written:
    @IliahBorg has written:

    Without knowing what are their comments, I can't have an opinion.
    In my experience very few take any delight in pointing out deficiencies. Mostly, deficiencies are pointed out in an attempt to help.

    You keep telling yourself that :)

    I see that you disagree. Well, matter of attitude, maybe.

    Absolutely. On both sides of the fence

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    BillFerris
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    June 3, 2023, 12:53 a.m. June 3, 2023, 12:53 a.m.
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    @DonaldB has written:
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    representation of a scene

    lets change replicate to "closest representation" of the scene. is = "proper exposure."

    I don't consider "closest representation" to be synonymous with "replicate." The act of replicating something is closer to reproducing it. A representation of something can be intentionally and obviously different from the thing being represented.

    Exposure is light intensity of the scene at the sensor. It's objectively determinable and measurable. A close representation is inherently subjective which makes the phrase, "closest representation," not synonymous with exposure...proper or otherwise.

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    BillFerris
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    June 3, 2023, 1:02 a.m. June 3, 2023, 1:02 a.m.
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    I like the echoes of the receding geometry in the first photo. I also like the subject's positioning in the last and the shutter dragging while panning to call attention to the subject's movement.

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