The arguments thread

Yeah, I know. You just don't get what he's getting on about.

Keep in mind what else I said.

I fully understand what his opinion is about.

But I never said I am looking for a goldilocks forum.

The beauty of the Internet is you only hear one embellished side of a story. The second beauty of the Internet is only those will a grievance - real or not - will post. In reality one of the issues with all forums is they are for the most part private. It is unfair to make a decision based accounts from potential malcontents. Today with VPN's "hide my email services," etc. one person can become many and it is almost impossible to track.

There is a misconception that there is "freedom of the ability to express any and all opinions on a platform where someone else is paying the freight." If a person came into my restaurant, store, club, bar, take your pick and startled to hassle or harass another customer - I as the owner have the perfect right to sent over security and remove him. It is no different on a privately owned forum. DPR was the sole property of Amazon. They had the perfect right through their management at DPR to moderate it in anyway they saw fit. However, I must say there were several on DPR that wanted to push the limits and thought trolling, personal attacks, etc. were some how they're "right." As a long time watcher of the FujiX forum, I thought the moderators bent over backwards to give everyone the benefit of the doubt even to the point of not stepping in soon enough. Let's put it this way they showed a lot more restraint than I would have in some cases.

So far here so good as most things I have seen have been pretty civil, but I expect over time there might be individuals that present challenges to the ownership of this forum. A privately owned forum is not a democracy. It is not even a representative democracy. It is private funded and as such at the end of the day it is the purview of the owners to set and enforce a code of conduct. Those that abuse the privileges afforded by this form are hurting everyone on the forum.

I agree. Small man with a huge power trip issue. But not worse than DPReview administrators who tolerated it. They designed a system that allowed moderators to abuse posters without any recourse. Many moderators stsyed decent, MAKO did not.
He would even pull posts where he participated in a discussion but disagreed with someone. Just because he could.

The scientist says "The brain has two hemispheres: the left side and the right side"

Trouble is,

on the left, there is nothing right

and on the right, there is nothing left

The Democrats are on the right side of middle, but not so far right as to make them far right per the reply you are replying to. Unless, of course, you think believing Covid-19 and climate change are real are examples of support for conspiracy theories, and the desire for a universal health care and making the minimum wage a living wage are examples of support for an autocratic regime.

Matter of perspective, I suppose.

The far-right is trying to "cancel" Bud Light for supporting LGBTQ+ causes -- there's no shortage of either side trying to "cancel" this or that. It's simply a matter of values -- what you, personally, feel should be "cancelled".

True -- but I loved the Off Topic Forum on DPR and am pleased to see it being recreated in this thread. All-in-all, I think the "politeness level" in this thread is acceptable, to be honest -- I'm not a fan of things being too sterile, but nor am I fan of things getting unhinged. Everyone has a different balance point, though, so I get that.

The very nature of this thread leads to this kind of conversation, though. And so long as it's relatively confined to threads like these, I don't see the problem. If it were to infect other threads not conducive to such diversions, that would be an issue, though. For example, I'd hate to post a photo of a certain political figure with farm animals and have it devolve into something distasteful, as opposed to photographic technique, where the latter, obviously, would be the intent of my posting the photo. : )

I am not proposing members be permabanned.

I have consistently supported Bob's facilitating/mediation model.

I have also consistently posted that the facilitators should not be allowed to permaban any member, at least without Admin approval after they review the situation.

I have consistently posted that members must have an easily accessible appeal process to Admin to request them to review any facilitator action taken against them.

I enjoyed a couple of bottles of Old Peculiar in Santa Barbara, California about 40 years ago. A buddy and I had hitched from Wisconsin to California to visit a friend. A trucker drove us most of the way, picking us up in Minnesota and taking us to LA. We repaid the favor by helping him unload the trailer... palette after palette of Kraft parmesan cheese.

We hitched from LA to Santa Clara where our buddy worked for General Magic and spent a night in Santa Barbara along the way. I forget the name of the establishment we were at but recall that their claim to fame was a tremendous selection of beer. Among the labels was Theakston Old Peculiar.

To this day, it's among the best beers I've ever had. Thanks for conjuring old memories.

Wow ... I got quite a shock checking in here and seeing about 450 replies to my post, being accustomed to a limit of 150 for so many years. I just want to add something that might already be mentioned somewhere in that pile of replies:

A significant problem with the way the process functions over there is that (apparently) punitive action cannot be applied per subforum; instead, it affects them all. Thus, if you draw the wrath of a single moderator with a single post, you find yourself sandboxed in every subforum, including ones where you are regarded as a perfectly behaved, valued, and respected member. Many moderators don't check their subforums all that often, so your posts in those can sit around literally for days before anyone sees them, destroying useful discourse. Also, sandboxing makes it impossible to send a PM to any member, including a moderator.

I once spent something like three months in that situation at DPReview, wondering when or if I'd ever be freed. Messages I sent to the DPReview admins themselves (those are allowed) went unanswered - basically a black hole. Surely that type of global isolation can't be considered appropriate. The admins can be blamed for setting things up that way, but moderators who recognize the far-reaching effects of their actions should exercise some restraint in the way things are judged and resulting 'sentences' are imposed.

BTW, it was also a surprise to see that a poll was added to my post here, after the fact. So many new things to get used to!

yup... it's all your fault. lol

If folks would behave themselves and not have a bowl of stupid for breakfast, everything would be fine.

Everyone is a guest here, and it’s not some mad-ass house party in North Vegas.
Good manners cost nothing.

I see you are still being way over sensitive which is what you assumed others to be and you still aren't taking your own advice to others to harden up with a dose of cement.

You're even making up quotes. It looks like you've seen where your images have ended up :-D

You have only yourself to blame.

Ha ha ha. It appears that you're not bright enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality. Reality is that I've upset you, fantasy is going on and on with absolute garbage such as using my mum's iPad, finishing homework etc etc etc. Pure fantasy. Lol.

Nope :-)

I was replying to your post with a made up quote attributed to me so you are the one clearly offended and continuing this discussion using false quotes, not me.

You haven't posted anything that proves any of my assumptions about you are not true.

As I said earlier, you made assumptions about other members but you seem to be struggling to cope with members then making assumptions about you.

Sh!t man, I'm starting to feel really sorry for you. In all seriousness. What sort of horrific life events have happened, that require such an elaborate, impenetrable alternate reality wall to be constructed around you? No matter what is written or done, it's completely and totally rejected in favour of your own little version of reality. And it's not just this thread, or just me that's noticed the trail of doubt and outright rejection for alternate viewpoints that seems to follow you around the site. Seriously, it doesn't hurt to talk to someone, get some help for whatever it is that's winding you up into knots, and lashing out at everyone.

Yep, a one off thank goodness 🙏

You're proving my point I made earlier 😀

And you still haven't posted anything proving my assumptions about you are not true.

Unless you do, nothing changes for me 😄

Just having a quick look and it seems to be quantity over quality. Something wrong with this picture