• Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:24 a.m.

    tell me what settings need to be changed on my camera given you have the raw file ?

  • Members 216 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:30 a.m.
  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:30 a.m.

    this image is not 4 stops underexposed it is perfectly exposed. it has basically no adjustments.
    elouise02web.jpg

    elouise02web.jpg

    JPG, 3.1 MB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

  • Members 216 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:35 a.m.

    Colors can be clipped outside of neutral or something that is not white weird that you don't know this

    And you do realize that what your are trying to show is nothing more than where a color falls within a values of 0,0,0 to 255,255,255 in a given color space and not what is contained within a raw file

  • Members 216 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:38 a.m.

    Other than the hidden adjustments being done without you know so then yes, but if you use RD you would know what adjustments are being done without your knowledge.

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:39 a.m.

    this shows "0"EV can you not see that ?
    eloise crop.jpg

    eloise crop.jpg

    JPG, 26.5 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

  • Members 92 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:42 a.m.

    Has anyone considered that this may be a wind up? Lots of it in DPReview forums, perhaps it has migrated here. If it is not then I apologise to the OP. Ken

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:44 a.m.

    Hi Ken what does EV mean ?

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 8:54 a.m.

    I am so over this, everyone do yourself a favour and read this.

    www.dpreview.com/articles/6641165460/ettr-exposed

  • Members 216 posts
    April 14, 2023, 9:14 a.m.

    Yup maybe you should
    "Rather generally, RawDigger is a very useful resource for gaining meaningful information in relation to shooting ETTR. With RawDigger you can see the actual raw histograms and see exactly how closely you have achieved ETTR."

    "White balance also affects the histograms, sometimes resulting in a story that differs greatly from that of the underlying raw-data histograms and therefore potentially providing misleading information for ETTR."

    Yup covered it here

    dprevived.com/t/raw-histogram-and-why-does-it-matter/1848/post/14901/

    "The amount of highlight headroom varies from camera to camera, and you will have to experiment with your camera to determine whether you have 2-2/3, 3, or even more EV of headroom. You can determine this amount quite accurately by using software like Rawdigger"

    Yup covered it again here

    dprevived.com/t/raw-histogram-and-why-does-it-matter/1848/post/14901/

    This is what is hidden to you with the raw converters with the BLE and other processing
    and the last quote

    "And it provides accurate feedback about the efficacy of your ETTR techniques. It is, therefore, highly recommended software for any raw shooter wanting to perfect using ETTR."
    I have and others have been saying this all along

    I don't think you even read what you linked to
    and certainly not anything people have been telling you here

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 9:24 a.m.

    conclusion: thanks for the discussion but needed to know how good my studio exposures were using another program.
    I will not be adjusting my work flow because my images show "PERFECT EXPOSURE" using the in camera A74 histogram.
    If you want to debate it further then dont include me. as im now brain dead after a record 230 posts 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

    elouise02web.jpg

    scaled rae digger histo.jpg

    my go to histogram fast stone.
    faststone.jpg

    faststone.jpg

    JPG, 101.1 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

    elouise02web.jpg

    JPG, 3.1 MB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

    scaled rae digger histo.jpg

    JPG, 344.3 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

  • April 14, 2023, 9:36 a.m.

    The combination of f-number and exposure time expressed logarithmically to base 2. What you probably think of as 'EV' is properly EV₁₀₀ , which is the scene luminance which gives nominal (target) exposure with the given EV setting. It's an alternative to the correct SI unit, the lux, which in my view is preferable.

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 9:48 a.m.

    yes i was referring ev on the raw digger histogram as the figure "0" and after reading the info on there site and at DPR i was right as the histogram is in Photographic mode. or whatever it is.
    eloise crop.jpg

    eloise crop.jpg

    JPG, 26.5 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

  • Members 4254 posts
    April 14, 2023, 9:54 a.m.

    Your raw data was 2 stops underexposed as shown by the histogram you posted.

    If that meets your definition of "perfect exposure" that's fine as it is your choice to make but my definition of perfect exposure is the optimal exposure** which is clearly different to your definition.

    * exposure - amount of light striking the sensor per unit area while the shutter is open
    ** optimal exposure - the maximum exposure* within dof and motion blur requirements without clipping important highlights.
    *** under exposed - more exposure* could have been added with the DOF and blur constraints still being met without clipping important highlights.

  • Members 4254 posts
    April 14, 2023, 9:59 a.m.

    That question has already been answered so not sure why you are asking again.

    I don't have the raw file but we have the raw histogram for that raw file that you posted.

    How you add that 2 stops is up to you. If had, you would have ended up with higher quality raw data than what you did and less visible noise.

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 10:04 a.m.

    your assumption is wrong there is no 16000 past "0" EV is clipping
    scaled rae digger histo.jpg

    scaled rae digger histo.jpg

    JPG, 344.3 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on April 14, 2023.

  • Members 4254 posts
    April 14, 2023, 10:20 a.m.

    I was referring to the histogram you posted below

    screenshot-2023-.jpg

    and you knew I was referring to that histogram because you posted it in your reply to my post at

    dprevived.com/t/raw-histogram-and-why-does-it-matter/1848/post/15814/

    So to summarise what I posted:

    screenshot-2023-.jpg

    JPG, 335.6 KB, uploaded by DannoB on April 14, 2023.

  • Members 2365 posts
    April 14, 2023, 10:32 a.m.

    sorry mate that was from another image. im referring to the dancer i posted with the accompanying histogram. i sent a link to Ian so he could have a play with the image of the dancer not the other one was just a selfie of me .
    sorry for the confusion ,its hard with the forum configuration as to what im posting to, its getting a bit confusing.