You know I know better? Firstly, I'm not a 'Dem'. Secondly, as I say, I make my own decisions on available evidence. If you have any evidence to present to support your case, please do so. If you don't, then it's you that looks like the one consuming Kool-aid. People with something useful to say will generally support what they say with something more than insults.
Practically every trial on these issues has ended with a verdict that you're wrong, and there have been many actual trials so I'm not speaking figuratively here.
I'd be sorry to see this thread go into the dumpster. The issues in the thread, though undoubtedly political, are of some importance to photographers - i.e. to what extent should political considerations dictate what images are or are not published. Of course, being a discussion about politics, people with political axes to grind will grind them away. But in my view, that isn't a bad thing. People who dislike this kind of discussion simply have to ignore it. People who are interested can come to their own judgment on the merits of the different proponents' arguments, and what they feel about these issues.
In addition, I'd really hate to see this site go the way of DPReview, where the staffers and moderators dictate to members which topics are or are not acceptable. So long as posts stay within the terms and conditions they should stay. This is currently the most active thread here. Do you really want to suppress it?
Whoa, whoa,whoa! No one's said anything about Boeing! Oh, wait... 😁
I have an idea -- what if you can make it so replies to this thread stop putting it as the leader for News and Discussions? That way, people who don't like it can more easily avoid it (and participate in other threads and/or start their own!) whereas the combatants (not me, of course -- no way -- never!) can still change the world with their opinions. That way, the people who don't like this thread will be less likely to accidentally click on it, read the posts, and find that they don't like the discussion.
As you say, photography can often be political -- in fact, that's the entire point of a non-trivial portion of photography -- so I don't think this thread is dumpster material. Sure, there is a bunch of off topic political stuff in this thread, but there's a lot of on topic political stuff, too. I mean, I didn't know anything about the Lena photo and surrounding controversy until this thread, and, methinks, if a discussion about photography is limited to the technical details or how "pretty" the photo is (or isn't), then we're dismissing the whole reason a lot of photos are taken -- they are meant to inspire political discussion, and ignoring that aspect of the photo is actually doing it a disservice. I mean, imagine if a discussion of the photo of Kim Phuc running from the naped Vietnamese village was confined to why the photo was BW instead of color, the various crops of the photo that are used, the DOF of the photo, etc., etc., etc., and no discussion about the purpose and impact of the photo.
IMO problem is not in disliking, problem is that more interesting/important parts of this discussion (politics vs images vs history) tend to be shadowed by other subtopics. This means also that users, not watching this thread closely, can't follow it anymore. I can so far :)
This won't happen - no one will dictate anything. Alan and I just noted that thread is getting out of hand (ie too convoluted and messy) and dumpster may be better place for it, no actions done :) Sometimes such little reminders help bring posts back to topic (and/or create another subthread about site administration :)).
The facilities exist for the thread to be rearranged to make it more intelligible if you prefer. In a way though, the chaos of the thread is part of the nature of a discussion like this, and as important to anyone taking a view of it. This is, after all a forum, for people to chat, and chatter tends to be chaotic. If it was an editorial section, as we will have, that would be a different matter.
The borderline is very fuzzy. There are many chaotic threads around, which diverge into all kinds of issues. That's one of the things that makes forums interesting, as opposed to curated content. It's only when that chaos includes some specific subject material that people start talking about taking measures to suppress the discussion. And the dumpster is suppressive, just more gentle than some other mechanisms. So, it morphs into dictating topics almost by stealth.
And as I said, it's not as though we have a surplus of lively content.
True, but I'm too lazy at present to needlessly spin my tires...
My university teacher in philosophy taught me well to sniff out nonsense rabbit holes...
Two things about that. The SW decides what goes into the leader, simple based on latest posts. To change that would involve changing the SW, which we don't want to do until the new one comes out. And even if we did, what would be the algorithm for deciding which threads should be de-prioritised? Maybe we could ask ChatGPT to produce one for us.
Or an even better idea, why not have a forum where the posts are entirely generated by AIs? Then we could train the AIs only to generate sanitised threads, so all the people who like only the anodyne can just observe the AIs conversing away.
Which is kind of the point in the end. This is the most active thread on the forum. Why would we want to stop people finding it? Do we want less activity on the forums?
They are not insults. I'm all for folks discussing their views whether they want to expound or not. I'm abhorred by the mediatards that have turned things upside down and have become corrupt to the point where it has divided people in a harmful way. I can freely express that and don't necessarily want to debate it to death. I know where that will lead... so I would rather point it out rather than having to explain it to death.