• Members 4254 posts
    May 16, 2023, 12:40 a.m.

    ETTR can make a much better than "good" photo especially in low light conditions. The benefit of ETTR in good light is not so much. But no-one is saying everyone must use ETTR for every shot. In some situations it just isn't practical to ETTR to its full benefit.

    That is you opinion as is obviously your right to have but I haven't seen anyone say that a technically perfect raw file is the defining factor of making a good photograph. It can be a factor but not the defining factor.

    No-one is forcing you to read or contribute to this thread so it shouldn't be of any concern to you if those interested in the topic do.

  • Members 240 posts
    May 16, 2023, 12:47 a.m.

    At last! We agree that a technically perfect raw file isn’t the defining factor of making a good photograph.

    So why do you in particular go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it?

  • Members 549 posts
    May 16, 2023, 12:59 a.m.

    Expense? What expense? Do you think that people actually stand frozen and miss taking photos because they are wondering what science says? Do you think that people who need spontaneous movement are going to use a tripod that slows them down because science says they can get more exposure on a tripod (or stand)? What exactly do you mean?

  • Members 240 posts
    May 16, 2023, 1:04 a.m.

    Yep, based on the general mood music of this thread I think some folk do all of these things. Or at the very least they are arguing about things that lead to the conclusion that one must shoot this way.

    Tragic really!

  • Members 976 posts
    May 16, 2023, 2:32 a.m.

    Exactly, nothing wrong. Why turn Jim's thread into something this ugly, why try to discourage bringing in some light - no idea.

  • Members 216 posts
    May 16, 2023, 4:04 a.m.

    Oh the irony

    I kind of figured that, I wanted Don to figure out as to why he is seeing what he is seeing by pointing him in the direction that how FRV was setup was giving him the results he was showing

  • Members 216 posts
    May 16, 2023, 4:14 a.m.

    I find it funny as how all this grief and snark remarks we now have come to another point in your learning. I would take the time and listen to what people have been saying all along

  • Members 216 posts
    May 16, 2023, 4:30 a.m.

    I find that most are not, once you understand how to achieve the results for the camera you are using it really is not that hard to carry it over to most of the situations you work in

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 16, 2023, 7:35 a.m.

    Im sorry but you made the remark that my zebras were 0.67 of a stop out which was incorrect. my in camera zebras where showing the exact number of clipped pixels . nothing was applied to my images period. Illah discussed what the figures were and how they were or were not applied. In fact history has been made. that the sony cameras zebras and incamera histograms couldn't be any more accurate.

  • May 16, 2023, 8:04 a.m.

    Up to you. But is seems a bit feeble to moan without doing anything about it. In any case, if you bothered to look around the forums you'll find plenty of examples of people giving good practical advice. It seems that you don't bother with those, you are drawn like a magnet to the 'scientific' threads where you can have a say about the futility of that approach to photography. You're doing a great deal to set the 'mood music' all by yourself.

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 16, 2023, 8:07 a.m.

    It was a great thread. everyone has come out with more knowledge from both sides. win win, wish all the personal bashing would stop though, it is what it is, cant wait for threaded view.

  • May 16, 2023, 8:10 a.m.

    You could do quite a bit all by yourself to reduce the amount of 'personal bashing', Don. Still, on the other hand you've given us a very positive example as to how extended discussion is not always fruitless. So thanks for that.

  • Members 2365 posts
    May 16, 2023, 8:17 a.m.

    I only ever defend my self nothing more. I dont just drop in and personally attack someone when they are in the middle of a good discussion.

  • Removed user
    May 16, 2023, 6:55 p.m.

    Hmmm:

    so 500 lux for 1/100 sec = an exposure of 500.01

    and 500 lux for 1/50 sec = an exposure of 500.02

    Some might not think so ... 😉

  • May 16, 2023, 8:02 p.m.

    It's amazing how many of these disputes are between two people defending themselves...
    Still, I'll say this for both you and your disputant of choice. You both have in your own way made a significant contribution to the life of these forums, unlike a few who seem to be here only to moan. Still, I suppose that there's even a market for watching people moaning.

  • May 16, 2023, 9:56 p.m.

    I'd rather it wasn't this site though.

  • Members 143 posts
    May 16, 2023, 10:08 p.m.

    I'd much rather see DonaldB and Danno take this thread to 2000 posts than see another user moan on and on about the idea of having civility in these forums and characterize such an idea as an attempt to "pansify the world".

  • Members 4254 posts
    May 17, 2023, 3:28 a.m.

    Be careful of what you wish for 🙂