• Members 216 posts
    March 4, 2024, 3:53 a.m.

    I feel it all comes down to how well can we resolve the actual blur spot, this would take several photo sites because with how we create an image.
    When most people think of the limit of the AD to be about the size of the pixel
    photos.smugmug.com/Temp/Temp/i-vvHbQ3c/0/Cmxm7LpTv2WvHNvqDWTK8K2JV2B3qMBMTQmdF3gzL/X4/dsss-X4.jpg
    But the reality is that we are recording color so it takes more than just one site
    photos.smugmug.com/Temp/Temp/i-723PC3B/0/FR2kXhfHSsgPvdjnkGNpf7CTjvPPB2TZvhvnD4rtw/X2/df-X2.jpg
    is this better I would think not as we still really are not mapping the AD
    photos.smugmug.com/Temp/Temp/i-qL9LrhG/0/C56m4TSgCX2fkHKTHxMNDQ8Z3RzjbSM3rmzQSDMRW/X3/sd-X3.jpg
    how about now? probably not as AD do not just align with the sites that record our image. they are overlapping many AD throughout the image

  • Members 695 posts
    March 4, 2024, 4:18 a.m.

    No one said, or implied, any such thing. What was said is that whatever detail there is, comes from the lens, and that more smaller pixels simply record that detail, whatever that detail may be, more accurately.

    We're not saying that the FF photo is less detailed. We're saying the reason isn't larger (or fewer) pixels -- the reason is something else (e.g. AA filter, the depth of the filter stack, the way the software processes the photos, etc., etc., etc..). More smaller pixels will always result in more detail all else equal. Since they don't appear to be doing so in the examples you're posting, then the cause lies elsewhere, and it would be informative to find out what is resulting in the discrepancy.

    Basically, Don, it's like this -- your taxes went up and you're saying it's because of illegals crossing the border, which is absolutely not true, as opposed to any number of actual reasons that caused your taxes to increase.

  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 4:31 a.m.

    but thats the whole point my microscope objectives are eq to f16 ff which is equal to f45 m43. all the microscope sites say the same. large pixels are better ,theres no argument unless you want to post some of your 10x shots to prove me wrong 😜

  • Members 216 posts
    March 4, 2024, 4:44 a.m.

    First you have to understand why FF f16 is equal to f45 on m43? here is a hint it has nothing to do with the pixel size

  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 4:52 a.m.

    so are you saying that the om1 26 meg sensor has the same diffraction limit to the gh5s 10 meg 🤔

  • Members 216 posts
    March 4, 2024, 4:55 a.m.

    What is causing the diffraction is it the sensor or is it the lens and how much it has been stopped down ?
    If it is the lens then why would the sensor behind it cause more diffraction?

  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 4:57 a.m.

    last word on the subject

    “Diffraction is related to pixel size, not sensor size. The smaller the pixels the sooner diffraction effects will be noticed.

    blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/diffraction-and-sensors/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CDiffraction%20is%20related%20to%20pixel,of%20the%20same%20sensor%20dimensions.%E2%80%9D

  • Members 216 posts
    March 4, 2024, 5:03 a.m.

    Do you even read what you link to
    blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/diffraction-and-sensors/#
    "The first conflation is the lack of distinction between the effects of diffraction and the visibility of those effects. The size of the Airy disk is not a function of sensor size, pixel pitch, or pixel aperture. The size of the Airy disk on the sensor is a function of wavelength and f-stop. That’s all. The size of the Airy disk on the print is a function of both those, plus the ratio of sensor size to print size."

  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 5:29 a.m.

    edmond optics site

    f4 to 5um

    Screenshot 2024-03-04 152741.jpg

    Screenshot 2024-03-04 152741.jpg

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  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 5:35 a.m.

    this is my tax guide.

    my pixels are 5um my objectives are f4 I have balenced my books 🤨😎😜

    Screenshot 2024-03-04 152741.jpg

    www.edmundoptics.es/knowledge-center/application-notes/imaging/limitations-on-resolution-and-contrast-the-airy-disk/#:~:text=Every%20lens%20has%20an%20upper,will%20still%20be%20diffraction%20limited.

    Screenshot 2024-03-04 152741.jpg

    JPG, 106.9 KB, uploaded by DonaldB on March 4, 2024.

  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 5:59 a.m.

    Some eye candy while were at it, just shot this image. sony a74 crop mode 12meg image. just for the broken record this blows away anything ive shot with useing 20meg m43 sensor. 130 image stack using zerene. shot through 0.17 mm glass cover slip glass. 4x amscope objective so efectivly 6x

    2024-03-04-03.04.22 ZS PMax copyfs.jpg

    2024-03-04-03.04.22 ZS PMax copyfs.jpg

    JPG, 8.4 MB, uploaded by DonaldB on March 4, 2024.

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    March 4, 2024, 6:31 a.m.
  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 6:37 a.m.

    microscopecentral.com/pages/choosing-a-microscope-camera-what-to-look-for

    but i would read the whole page. 😁

    Quote: Although it seems counter-intuitive, higher magnification objectives actually require fewer pixels. In fact, if you are working at a higher magnification, the optical system is limited to about 3–5 Megapixels that can be transferred to the sensor of a camera. Therefore, if you go out and purchase that 20 Megapixel camera hoping to maximize clarity, know that the “extra pixels” will have NO EFFECT on the resolution of the image, while negatively impacting speed, capacity and sensitivity. However, for lower magnification, a higher pixel count will capture more detail from your microscope.

  • Members 167 posts
    March 4, 2024, 6:52 a.m.

    Having a controlled environment is not the same as controlling all the variables in a testing methodology. You clearly did not eliminate extraneous variables so that only pixel size varied. The exposures look different, the focus points look inconsistent, and you introduced variables associated with image stacking.

  • Members 1320 posts
    March 4, 2024, 7:56 a.m.

    I thought it was the other way around...

  • Members 2365 posts
    March 4, 2024, 7:57 a.m.

    yeh. i have no idea what im doing 🙄

  • Members 1320 posts
    March 4, 2024, 8 a.m.

    Where did you get the idea that the om1 is 26MP sensor, and where did you get the idea that the GH5 is 10MP sensor???

    They are both 20MP...