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    April 29, 2023, 3:18 p.m.

    I don't think it needs artificial restrictions on XMP portability for there to be a problem. A command stored in an XMP might do something in another program, but unless it does exactly the same thing, your edits will be scrambled. darktable can read LR XMP data, but it only gets you a half edit file, they are simply not compatible.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:19 p.m.

    I can think of more Draconian ways of operating. They could prevent the program from opening, for example.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:21 p.m.

    No doubt that's a good policy, but it doesn't help me 🙂 Anyway, that was just one example. No doubt there are lots of things that can be done to a file that would also be frozen under the subs model.

    It's particularly frustrating that edits that were done in a perpetual licence version, become non perpetual if you pay Adobe more money to join the subs program. What kind of deal is that!

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    April 29, 2023, 3:22 p.m.

    "I can think of even more Draconian ways of operating. They could prevent the program from opening, for example." Fixed.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:27 p.m.

    Seems to me that this is a bit of a stockholm syndrome answer.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:34 p.m.

    I stand corrected.

    Perhaps reasonable in context since the discussion is about the common error/lore that the ISO setting changes the sensor sensitivity ... with the said lore being based on the older sensor>PGA>ADC path and not on Aptina-based and not on fancy ISO modes.

    The 'duh' was in response to the wording of the question - either rhetoric or a trap.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:37 p.m.

    I'm not getting your point.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:39 p.m.

    Kind of the opposite, since I have the freedom to change the files if I want to, yet I haven't seen any reason to do so.

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    April 29, 2023, 3:41 p.m.

    Am I to understand that you have made 20,000 prints already? Wow!

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    April 29, 2023, 3:43 p.m.

    I messed up the quotes just before you posted and edited it after ... please look again ... sorry

    My main point is italicized in the quotes above.

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    April 29, 2023, 4:24 p.m.

    The concept. They are not holding your edits hostage, just preventing you from making new ones. Losing your job doesn't mean the company goes to your bank and password-protects your accounts, it just means you aren't making more money.

    Actually, that's a bad example because LR has post-sharpening in the export module that can be controlled. Adjust it there.

    They could, but they didn't. That doesn't mean they are holding your edits hostage, just preventing you from making new ones.

    I strongly recommended this model to them before they changed, and they didn't listen.

    I understand this from their point of view. After a while, software is well-developed and no one will pay for endless minor upgrades, so it's not a good growth business model. That doesn't mean I have to support it as paying for things I don't use isn't a good business model for me, and I don't.

    You should look at ACDSee. You can subscribe OR purchase. Your choice.

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    April 29, 2023, 4:29 p.m.

    Got it. Why not define sensitivity in terms of charge/light so it works whether the sensor uses dual conversion gain or not?

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    April 29, 2023, 7:31 p.m.

    Of course not! Although I am surprised how many prints I have made since the printer has been yelling at me that the starter carts are empty. It keeps on going. Just ignore the warnings.

  • Members 514 posts
    April 29, 2023, 7:39 p.m.

    Nah, I made my choice 4 years ago. LR perpetual for old stuff and printing, darktable for new stuff.

    I wouldn't use LR for printing if I could figure out how to do printing properly in Linux without having to pay Turboprint hundreds of pounds. I like TP, it's good but it doesn't do anything I can't already do with LR. The Apple CUPs printing method Linux uses is baffling. I can print just fine from dt/linux but it doesn't look quite right and I can't bothered to try and sort it out.